If you happen to be 6' 3" and 300# - the Perry D is only 550 inspired replica you could get in and out of!
I don't hate the Perry D like Danny does. I could fit in one, which makes it kind of appealing in a strange way.
That Glöckleresque thing is an abomination, though.
@Lane Anderson posted:Don't have to imagine it. It is very similar to our mountains drives, but perhaps a bit less twisty.
I think there's a sitewide underappreciation for how awesome the drives at the TdS actually are among those who haven't attended one.
The linked video is like the roads to get to the good roads.
@edsnova posted:Yep. Fighting for position on the Merritt Parkway in Fairfield County CT on a crisp December afternoon is best done in a 600hp roadster and is, indeed, the highest and best use of such a conveyance.
It's not the size (or horses) that matters.....it's how you use them!
I rallied behind an early 70s mid-engine sports car through mountain roads. It was an awful experience. God knows I'm no where near the best driver; but this experience was horrible at best. The stalling, turns at speeds that a 70s Cadillac could do with ease......
At lunch the owner of the aforementioned Italian sports car told me the car needs to have a 6-speed for this driving, not a 5-speed. I told him that almost everyone on the rally has a 4-speed. His rebuttal was that this mid engine car wasn't built for twists.
OK bud.
85HP. 4-speed VW find-a-gear shifter. 4.5" wide tires. Swing axle. Rear engine. But it obviously was the mid-engined 5-speed Italian car's fault.
A 308, mayhaps?
A driver who thinks 4000 RPM is revving it?
Unless you’re the lead dog, Kevin, the view never changes.
How to drive a Cobra on a quiet country lane. It helps if you're Thierry Boutsen.
@Stan Galat posted:I think there's a sitewide underappreciation for how awesome the drives at the TdS actually are among those who haven't attended one.
The linked video is like the roads to get to the good roads.
Tons of great roads in NC, TN, WV. Same with upstate NY. Someone once told me it was because until the mid 1900’s when they started constructing big state highways, most roads just followed the course of the old horse and buggy trails that had been there since colonization.
@Stan Galat posted:That Glöckleresque thing is an abomination, though.
As were the originals, imo.
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@DannyP posted:Just, NO.
It's a stretch limo interpretation of something??? Look how absolutely horrid the front wheel arch is.
It looks like the poor Spyder was put onto a medieval torture rack. And they didn't even have any mercy to put it out of its misery. Just stretched it and left it.
Glöckler Spyders aren't pretty, but they are small and short and gloriously LIGHT.(They were built on a tube frame, not rebodied.)
Genius.
Then Porsche copied the concept and made the wallflower into the pretty girl.
That’s probably a poor representation of them. This one is a little closer to the mark.
There was one guy doing creditable Glockler-typ cars a few years ago but he appears to have graduated to bigger and not better things.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree again, Ed.
I think the Runge rebodied Viper is fantastic and beautiful. Is it because it’s based on a V10 that you find it distasteful? Were the Ferrari 250 or Lamborghini Miura also distasteful with 2 more cylinders? Or is it perhaps that the car upon which this is based is domestic (and therefore bad)? I sure hope not, but it’s hard to imagine what else it might be.
It’s a gorgeous car -- in the tradition of DeTomassos, the Shelby cars, and Intermeccanica's Italia, etc.
I loved Runge’s aircooled cars (which were almost affordable when nobody knew who he was) and I love his current cars (which are well out of reach now that everybody does).
I just love cars.
@dlearl476 posted:As were the originals, imo.
They aren't pretty, but the REAL Glöcklers were small, short, light, and FAST. Which is why Porsche took notice. They're MUCH better looking than the squint/stretched Perry D on a 94.5" wheelbase.
Walter Glöckler was ahead of his time.
And Ed, I agree with Stan(no surprise). While I don't love the looks of some of the Rünge cars, I'd love to drive ANY of them. They are built by a dude with serious talent that most of us watched develop in real time. Your comment about Chris Runge reeks of low-brow elitism.
@dlearl476 posted:
I see that his wheel design was heavily influenced by @ALB. The wind-up through the gears must have been really quick, once they were all lightened. 😉
I happen to love hand built cars of all types. The idea of someone building the idea into a reality is fabulous. I have seen many cars built from just an artist rendering over the years. It takes a lot of skill to pull this off. But even with the skills sometime even with the cool renderings the car ends up being a miss not a hit. I have seen this with some of the top builders in the country. It all comes down to personal preference. Like Stan, I like the looks of the Runge rebodied Viper. Sleek styling and a big motor does it for me. Last year my hot rod buddy Randy Grubb finished an all aluminum body sports car with a Ryan Falconer V-12 motor. Randy is a self taught craftsman who has built lots of cool vehicles. I love this latest car and everything about it. To some, it's not their style, I get it. But as we say, it's a big tent. I wish I had the skills to produce my own car. But at my age, I'm out of time to learn those skills. I'll just have to settle for asking a builder to build what I would like to build myself and trust it will happen. I have been lucky to have that happen more than once. When money isn't the issue, you can always buy what you like in a custom built car already done. I'm never been in that position, so I have to really plan how to achieve a good outcome and get what I want. In the end what really counts is that the car is fun, safe and pleasurable to drive. Also, makes you smile whenever you look at it.
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@Stan Galat posted:
Another cool alternative straight from Crocket and Tubbs:
https://bringatrailer.com/list...tona-spyder-replica/
A quick online search shows these cars are priced similarly to the speedster replicas.
@Kevin - Bay Area posted:Another cool alternative straight from Crocket and Tubbs:
https://bringatrailer.com/list...tona-spyder-replica/
A quick online search shows these cars are priced similarly to the speedster replicas.
Excellent.
I started looking when I posted about the Cobra. I found that it’s presently possible to buy a Ferrari 360 for replica speedster money.
That’s bizzaroworld stuff, right there.
@Stan Galat posted:Excellent.
I started looking when I posted about the Cobra. I found that it’s presently possible to buy a Ferrari 360 for replica speedster money.
That’s bizzaroworld stuff, right there.
Many exotic cars after so many years can be purchased by anyone…. The big question is can be upkept? 
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if you’re looking for a garage queen, something to polish admire…. a big picture might work better… I can’t wait till they come out with holograms for the garage
@IaM-Ray posted:Many exotic cars after so many years can be purchased by anyone…. The big question is can be upkept?
Absolutely. I once had a BMW 540i that eventually needed an alternator. It was $1500 in 2010 dollars. I'm calibrated in domestic car part prices. That did it for me.
I don't want a Ferrari, 360 or otherwise. I have what I want. I'm just sayin' that current valuations for things are skewed.
Yes it is all over the place it seems used cars are a bit in a flux.
@Stan Galat posted:Excellent.
I started looking when I posted about the Cobra. I found that it’s presently possible to buy a Ferrari 360 for replica speedster money.
That’s bizzaroworld stuff, right there.
These were always the red-headed step child of Ferrari world. Not a beauty like the older 206-246 Dinos they replaced. One of Ferrari’s first, horror of horrors, V8. I likewise never paid much attention, but seeing them routinely go for VMC Speedster money, they’re kind of growing on me.
Like most things sports car related these days: “If I was 20 years younger…”
I’ve watched enough YouTube videos to think a clean, rust free example wouldn’t be any less serviceable than my 79 Alfa or 78 SC was.
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@IaM-Ray posted:Yes it is all over the place it seems used cars are a bit in a flux.
I noticed something weird over the last month or two: For about 4 weeks straight, 90% of the cars I watched on BaT changed hands. Everything from VW Bugs and Cabrios to BMW 2002’s to 912s and Speedster replicas. All <$100K, most <$50K cars.
Then last week it dropped back down to the usual 75%.
eta: I just checked and I’m back up to ~90%. Of th3 twenty odd auctions I was watch8ng, everything sold, including a Fuhrman 4 Cam project for $100K and a complete, running motor for $230K. The only non-sellers were a Gold conver bid to $6300, a Radical SR3 at $24, and a Vintage Speedster that only bid to $35.5.
@dlearl476 posted:These were always the red-headed step child of Ferrari world. Not a beauty like the older 206-246 Dinos they replaced. One of Ferrari’s first, horror of horrors, V8. I likewise never paid much attention, but seeing them routinely go for VMC Speedster money, they’re kind of growing on me.
Like most things sports car related these days: “If I was 20 years younger…”I’ve watched enough YouTube videos to think a clean, rust free example wouldn’t be any less serviceable than my 79 Alfa or 78 SC was.
I love those. The epitome of 70's wedge design 👍