I'm in lust, er...
You know what I mean. I tend to agree about the spoiler not being a plus, but I don't hate it.
Oh, and your friend is seriously talented.
This might be going too far and too 911 but if you do the duck tail you might want to think about Fuchs. God I wish I was in your position and I hope maybe I have one more car in me but probably not.
I am using Fuchs.
I believe my friend used 16" wheels in the CGI renderings. We may use 15" or 16" depending on what fits.
As far as the spoiler goes, my friend is sending me 2 new CGI renderings, 1 without the spoiler and 1 with a shorten version. I will post them when I get them.
Fabulous. The car sizzles with the Fuchs and a shorter spoiler.
I prefer it sans-spoiler but both look good. I recall in our conversations that you have no intention of tracking it so the spoiler isn't necessary. If you were going to engage in more hoonery it might be worthwhile for the improved high-speed stability.
Joel-Do what I did: Both! 
I had a duckbill gathering dust in my garage so when I had my 911 painted, I had it painted, too. It took about 20 minutes to put it on/take it off.
FWIW, I can’t put a reason into words, but I like the original linger spoiler best.
And, just go throw a wrench into the works: If it were me, I’d serious consider putting a rag top on it.
https://store.gaugemagazine.co...2lTTM0xoCK4sQAvD_BwE
But then motorcycling spoiled me for driving a closed-top car.
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I posted earlier that the 1972-74 911 RS/RSR was one of my favorite Porsches of all times.
Right from the outset I knew I wanted to do this car in the Outlaw Style. As time went on and I looked at different Outlaw 356's I saw some that had some of the design elements from the RS/RSR 911's. I love Emory's work as well. So, I thought about trying to integrate a 356 Outlaw with the 911 RS/RSR. The result is what you see here.
The front oil cooler and the rear Ducktail Spoiler are 2 of the most important design elements of the 911 RS/RSR. So, I think both the front oil cooler and the shortened Ducktail Spoiler will be part of the final design/build.
I will leave it to Carey and his team to make my vision a reality.
Joel
Sorry, no convertible for me.
Sans spoiler as I like the simple and clean lines.....Just my .02
Too much cowbell.
If you do it, the wing will always be the ‘um, I don’t know’ part of this car. But I don’t think you’ll ever have second thoughts about leaving it off.
One could make all kinds of arguments about why it’s ‘wrong’ historically or otherwise, but this isn’t about logic or precedent, it’s about affairs of the heart.
My heart says ‘no’, but you’re the one taking her home from the dance.
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It's an Outlaw. It's not historically correct to begin with. It also never came with a water cooled 911 engine and 6 speed manual transmission or 320+ horsepower. It did not come with Fuchs either, or many of the other items I am incorporating into the design/build.
If I wanted to build a car that was historically correct or one like everyone else, I would have.
If you don't push the envelope, you never know what you are capable of.
I am pushing the envelope and I love it.
Joel
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Yeah, I get the ‘outlaw’ and like a lot that I’ve seen. I like how this one’s shaping up, too.
But the wing has always been a step beyond that - for some, even on the 911.
I would just caution to make sure it’s what you want. The computer images are a great way to decide.
Do what Dave did, get one with and one without. Then if you change your mind in the future, you can swap it out.
You guys are making way too much over the spoiler. Spoilers did not come on a 356. I know, I get it. So what? Neither did Subaru motors, or wide bodies or 100 other things we add to our cars.
I like the spoiler , but is it going to help or hurt handling at speed .
can your buddy ask around his contacts and find someone who designs “aero” stuff ?
Also will it hurt the cooling airflow to the motor.
I also like the fog lights , but they are too generic , if you are thinking of using Cibie Oscars , send your buddy some photos of them , or whichever fog lights you were thinking of using , so he can get the proportions right.
I know these are only designs , but you are on the right track 
@Joel Roth Singer Porsche also has a smaller version of the duck tail spoiler which could work visually on the 356 body. it is about a third of the height and has softer lines. Just my 2 cents worth LOL.
@Joel Roth P.S. love the Fuchs; always thought they were great on a 356. Love the overall look of your car.
Joel, I speak as one who doesn’t give a hoot about what was ‘original’, either.
My drive has a plastic body, a two-liter Briggs & Stratton, disk brakes, five forward speeds, and a whole lot of Chinese parts pretending to be what they are not. I still like it.
But you asked what we thought and I’ve done my best to say that with honesty, humility, restraint, and what I hoped was respect for your sentiments.
I seem to have failed in some way, and for that I apologize, but I still think when it comes to wings and the 356 silhouette, less is more.
@Joel Roth posted:You guys are making way too much over the spoiler. Spoilers did not come on a 356. I know, I get it. So what? Neither did Subaru motors, or wide bodies or 100 other things we add to our cars.
We're not making way too much out of the spoiler, you asked our opinions as to what we thought of it. IMHO those Porsche spoilers look like a road kill platypus ~ BTW I do like the overall concept of the coupe.
It's an outlaw and Joel knows what he likes. I'm partial to the short ducktail. Although, I think he should really consider what a melted tea tray spoiler might add. 
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@Sacto Mitch, I don’t think you failed at all. Joel asked for opinions, opinions he got.
@LI-Rick posted:@Sacto Mitch, I don’t think you failed at all. Joel asked for opinions, opinions he got.
I'm learning (very slowly, because I'm pretty thick in nearly every way) that when people ask for opinions, they don't really mean it.
Here especially. The heart wants what the heart wants.
@Stan Galat posted:I'm learning (very slowly, because I'm pretty thick in nearly every way) that when people ask for opinions, they don't really mean it.
Here especially. The heart wants what the heart wants.
How true that is when you ask for opinions you will get some you won't agree with
BTW the last spoiler is definitely better looking ...less is more IMO.
OK, you guys are right I did ask for opinions. So, thank-you for sharing them. Oh, and I do not only want to hear opinions agreeing with me. There is no point in that. Even if I disagree with them, it still causes me to stop and think about it. And you did that. So thank-you.
Now having said all that I do not know if I will end up using the rear spoiler. I can definitely say that I like the look of the shortened spoiler, but I also like the look without it. I agree, it definitely looks cleaner without it.
Joel
@Joel Roth posted:Thanks for the comments.
I think a Spoiler looks good on the car, but I do think the one he used is a little to big/long. I think it needs to be shortened a little. I think if it were a little shorter and more subtle I think it would look great.
Joel
More like the Duck Tail used on the new Spyder.
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I'll do my best @Stan Galat imitation here, Joel: "You do you."
We'll always have our opinions and usually voice them on this site, whether asked for or not. Whichever way you go it will be a beautiful car.
Since you asked (kinda, sorta) I prefer the last spoiler of all of them, if you don't go without. When the Audi TT came out they discovered that at autobahn speeds the rear became unstable because of the curved butt, much like the 356 but more abrupt. That's why they quickly added a small ducktail, spoiling the lines a tiny bit but making the car more stable. Heck, you could put a biplane wing on the back and I'd still want a ride.
@Joel Roth posted:If you don't push the envelope, you never know what you are capable of.
I am pushing the envelope and I love it.
Joel
Pushing the envelope for the sake of pushing it would not be my goal.
To make something cohesive that works well AND is beautiful would be the thing.
You can tack all sorts of boy-racer stuff on a 356. Doesn't mean you should.
There have been several Speedsters, coupes, and Spyder replicas that were well-executed by the builders(fit, finish, paint) but were conceptually how should I say? Eh.
Go for it Joel. If I owned one car I’d build something very similar. My wife stopped driving with me when I sold the intermeccanica and built my Spyder. So my thoughts are to keep the Spyder for shenanigans and build something classy like this that my wife will find enjoyable. Oh but it will have a beastly 2.65L Type 4.
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As the owner of an "Outlaw" complete with the driving lights and Fuchs:
I truly get what look you're trying to get.
I would bet, thought, that almost no one on here has seen a 356 with any sort of spoiler except for Alan Merklin (I think he once built a 356 Hot Rod out of a CMC and IIRC, it had a spoiler and looked like this ( I could be wrong about his build, but here's a CMC with a spoiler, anyway):
These spoilers were splashed from a Later model Porsche 911 GT and are quite large. THIS might be what people on here are thinking about when you mention a spoiler or wing on a 356. These things were glassed in as a permanent part of the engine cover so it became a cover swap. CMC sold maybe 20 of them - I've seen just one show up on here since I joined in 2003 but, again..... They're really big.
IIRC, Rod Emory or Singer have done a 356 with a similar spoiler, not half as large, but they added it (1.) for looks and (2.) a slight increase in downforce on the rear of the car at speed. If you think of the shape of the car as the profile of an aircraft wing, you'll realize that it generates a lot of up force (especially a coupe) and becomes pretty light over 70mph. Added downforce at the rear would actually be a really good thing, you know?
So from me, Go for it! I actually like the CGI version you posted, but I was an outlaw guy before it became "cool" so wha-do-I know, right? You looking at that color combo in the CGI set, too? Wicked cool!
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All I can say about that one is "Ewwwwww!!!!"
@Lane Anderson posted:All I can say about that one is "Ewwwwww!!!!"
Concur. Whale tails are ugly on the 911’s they originally came on, to put one on a 356 body is a travesty. Even an ugly CMC wide body.
No Whale Tail. If we do use a spoiler, it will be small and subtle.
I like how the last one you showed was contoured around the vents.
My favorite outlaw build ......
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The Audi TT was pretty front heavy to say the least, we had one.
Most Audis center the weight of the engine in front of the front axels. So most are very front heavy and tend to understeer. But Audis compensate with AWD. I’ve owned BMWs and Audis. I would say the 2WD oversteering beemers were more fun but the AWD Audis always felt more planted. I can accelerate in my S3 without any concern about wheel spin. If I’m on a track I think I’d rather drive an M2 but daily driving I’ll keep my S3.
@Gordon Nichols posted:These spoilers were splashed from a Later model Porsche 911 GT and are quite large. THIS might be what people on here are thinking about when you mention a spoiler or wing on a 356. These things were glassed in as a permanent part of the engine cover so it became a cover swap.
Actually Gordon, I'm pretty sure we were all reasonably clear what Joel was thinking when he mentioned a spoiler... in that he provided us with about a half-dozen CGI images to clue us in on EXACTLY what he was thinking.
As far as aesthetic choices made by committee - I've never understood it. It's like asking your coworkers and people on the street for suggestions regarding what kind of woman you should marry. I'm not sure that the collective opinions of the crowd are a very good way to decide what looks good to my own eye.
Weighing the pros and cons of various options, power-plants, transmissions, brakes, etc. have value. Telling a guy what he should like seems like it's above my paygrade.
Fashion is fickle, but if I build what's cool to me without regard for what anybody else thinks - it'll always be cool to me even when the rest of the world has moved on to another shiny thing.
I'm 100% convinced of what's cool to me. Your mileage may vary.
In this case, I think "spoiler" is an apt name.