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The SPEEDSTER.COM NATIONAL GATHERING will be held in Loveland, Colorado, beginning September 18th through the 20th. This is a fantastic time of year in Colorado with mild to warm weather and the beginning of the change of color for our mountain drives. I encourage all of you to attend with or without your Speedster. Loveland is 45 miles north of the Denver airport. If you trailer your car you may park the trailer at my place which is about 2 miles from the hotel.

Our Host hotel is the brand new La Quinta Hotel (www.fountainsofloveland.com),
The rate for Thur,Fri & Sunday is $89, Saturday is $109. Includes breakfast, pool, exercise room. Be sure to tell them the

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The SPEEDSTER.COM NATIONAL GATHERING will be held in Loveland, Colorado, beginning September 18th through the 20th. This is a fantastic time of year in Colorado with mild to warm weather and the beginning of the change of color for our mountain drives. I encourage all of you to attend with or without your Speedster. Loveland is 45 miles north of the Denver airport. If you trailer your car you may park the trailer at my place which is about 2 miles from the hotel.

Our Host hotel is the brand new La Quinta Hotel (www.fountainsofloveland.com),
The rate for Thur,Fri & Sunday is $89, Saturday is $109. Includes breakfast, pool, exercise room. Be sure to tell them the
Picked up the trailer and the RED TUB wouldn't make it up the ramps going forward because the back end and tail pipes scraped. Could have probably made some ramp extensions, but don't have the time to invest or design. Ended up doing her rear first and there was no problem. (There's a bad joke in here somewhere...)

In any event, we're almost good to go. Oil is changed, valves adjusted, new plugs, electronic ignition installed, and carbs tweaked - all for Colorado (mechanic is originally from Golden) and she's running good. New tires (Bridgestone Potenza G 019 Grid 185/65/15) are on and an alignment is scheduled for next week. Will get the trailer wheels/tires balanced and bearings repacked before we actually leave.

A couple of questions to those that may read this thread and frequently trailer their cars.

1) Should I put on the full tonneau or put up the roof with the side curtains, especially considering the car will be going backwards?

2) How about sealing the edges where it might leak in the "unlikely" event it rains during the trip? (Dusty, Carol is not one to sit in the back holding an umbrella.) I've read several threads that suggest that the painter's masking tape works about as well as anything else and usually doesn't leave any residue when removed. Should the hood, boot, bonnet, lid, grille (or whatever else you may want to call the various openings) also be sealed?

3) What is the recommended way to strap the car down to the bed of the trailer? It has a wood floor.

We're really excited about getting away at this point.

Best regards to all!
Cal
Cal:

Just finished trailering Pearl here from Massachusetts, and now have trailered her something like 14,000 miles (yeah, that surprised me, too!), so here's what I've learned. My trailer is similar to a Kaufman open-deck car hauler: it's open in the center with full-length ramps on both sides for the wheels to sit on.

1) Should I put on the full tonneau or put up the roof with the side curtains, especially considering the car will be going backwards?

Put the top up and side windows in. If you use the tonneau it'll mar the paint as it flaps in the wind. I don't back her on, even though the exhaust would scrape when loading. Instead, I have a pair of 8' wooden planks (2X8's) which I lay on the ground in back of the trailer ramps and put the rear end of the ramps onto the top of the planks. This raises the car just high enough off the ground to let the exhaust clear when loading.

2) How about sealing the edges where it might leak in the "unlikely" event it rains during the trip? I've read several threads that suggest that the painter's masking tape works about as well as anything else and usually doesn't leave any residue when removed.

I use blue painter's tape on the top-to-windshield-frame intersection with terrific results. Leaves no residue and has held on tenaciously in unGodly downpours at 50-70mph. It also has worked well along the hood to body intersection. That's all I've done, but when Dusty was leaving Carlisle into impending storms he taped up just about every seam on the entire car. Saw more blue than white, believe me, and I doubt that he had any leaks. If I were you, I might do the holes where the side windows meet the bottom of the corner posts, then continue on down the forward door seam - that seems to be a popular point of soakage (is that a word?).

Should the hood, boot, bonnet, lid, grille (or whatever else you may want to call the various openings) also be sealed?

If you think some place may leak and cause you a problem, tape it.

3) What is the recommended way to strap the car down to the bed of the trailer? It has a wood floor.

Without actually seeing your trailer set-up, this is really hard to answer. My trailer is open and has REALLY BEEFY tie-dow rings in the bed. I have 3-foot-long securing straps with "D" rings on each end that I put over the transmission horns in the rear, and over the bottom torsion tubes in the front. I "X"-cross the front tie-down straps to keep the car centered, but leave the rears un-crossed because to cross them back there would put undue stress on the engine sump (they would be rubbing on the sump if crossed).

Once everything is connected, I cinch everything up nice and tight with the ratcheting tighteners on the cinch straps - you should not be able to get another "click" between fully down and 90 degrees up on the handle. After traveling 10 miles or so, I stop and re-tighten all straps as everything settles and stretches. I've found that, after about 50-100 miles, everything has settled/stretched it's limit and nothing much changes after that, even overnight.

Dusty, on the other hand, has "Wheel Nets". These are strap baskets that are placed over the tops of his wheels, one end is secured directly to a trailer hold-down ring and the other end is attached to a ratcheting cinch. They are then tightened to secure them. Personally, I don't care for them, as I've sometimes seen them loosen for no aparent reason, leaving the car just sitting on the trailer with nothing holding it there (that was Charles Gardiner's problem on his SAS coupe at Carlisle). I prefer the somewhat more positive strap method that I have - I've NEVER had anything loosen up on me, even after days of traveling at 70-85mph.
Gordon/Alan - Great input, thanks!

Front Loading - the "easy peasy" trick might just work, I'll give that a try first. A couple of extra 2x8's would also fit in the bed of the truck. Bottom line here: First problem solved.

Top Up - Got it. Since I don't know where the car leaks (it's only been in a sprinkling once or twice by accident and I don't drown her when she gets washed), I'll probably go overboard on the taping and the RED TUB may very well end up looking like a striped BLUE BASIN.

Tie It Down - Still thinking at this point. Wood floor of trailer has no tie down rings at all - just wood planks. Will have to ask if I can install something. Thanks for the input on the wheel nets, I was initially leaning toward something along those lines. I have some large yellow straps that I use for the sailboat when moving her, but think they'll be overkill. Will look for something a bit smaller.

Thanks again!
Best regards,
Cal

Here's my 2 cents worth....

1) Use the screw jack on the trailer to raise the front end and put a SMALL (2x6x12) board under the end of your ramps. No problem getting a very low Ferrari on the trailer! Porsche is a piece of cake!

2) Forget taping anything but the top of the windshield. I have tried everything and it doesn't really help because the softtop material stretches and pulls the tape loose. Put a chamois or a good towel inside where you think it might leak and don't worry. It is only water! .... one more hint: I put a car cover over my car at night just to keep prying eyes and temptation away. Never had a problem anywhere in the country.

3) Gordon's memory is failing (I thought I was the Old Guy!) I do not have "tire nets" (I don't trust them either) I use heavy straps which go THROUGH the wheels and pull tight with ratchets. Never loosen, holds car very secure! Advantage is car shocks and springs are not compressed for days and I can strap up without getting dirty by reaching under the car. (I've even loaded my car in a suit!)

See you in Colorado

Happy Trails,
Dusty and the LMS


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I have three car open hauler, I run on a daily bases. On each tire I use a single yellow strap with a D ring ( or strap loop) on one end, I use the strap as a lasso around the back of top third of the tire and back through the D ring or loop, ratchet the tire strap toward the outer edge of the trailer. No way does this method allow for a car to move even in the event of a 75 mph panic stop. ~Alan
Dusty:

Sorry....got you cornfused with Charles G. I remember your attachment method, now. You got pictures of your car in a suit??

Cal wrote: "I have some large yellow straps that I use for the sailboat when moving her, but think they'll be overkill. Will look for something a bit smaller."

My straps are 3" wide everywhere and really heavy duty. The longer ends of th cinchers are something like 8-10 feet long which means I have to neatly tie them off to stow them (I wrap them around the cincher a bunch of times and then put the bitter end under the last wrap to keep it from flapping).

You should also be attaching to the frame of the trailer, not simply into the wood floor. Remember that you have 1700 lbs of mass sitting there which can quickly become kinetic energy when you hit the brakes.

Nothing like a safety margin when you're trailering at 75mph...
Gordon is absolutely right about NOT attaching to the wood. Have rings welded into the frame or find a way to bolt rings into the frame with a way to fasten the car front AND back. Also, ignore the fact that the picture I attached earlier shows my car with the tonneau cover. That did NOT work out well. Put the top up and use the sidecurtains.

The best news is that this time of year you are highly unlikely to run into rain. Bring a jacket for mornings in late September as we start the day quite cool. I am hoping that our Aspen trees will be in full golden glory during our drive! What great pictures that will make.

Happy Trails (or trailering)
Dusty and LMS
Dusty, that great chronicler of life in our last, great, Western Frontier, wrote:

"The best news is that this time of year you are highly unlikely to run into rain. Bring a jacket for mornings in late September as we start the day quite cool. I am hoping that our Aspen trees will be in full golden glory during our drive! What great pictures that will make."

While I wholeheartedly agree with every character written above, I've also found it to be a particularly insidous character of the American Mountainous West that small showers pop up when-ever and where-ever they choose....not necessarily where YOU choose them to be. Therefore, it is encumbant upon the individual Speedster driver (or his/her right seater) to bring along sufficient rain avoidance apparel/equipment so as to be the hit of the evening food foraging gathering as a display of good judgement or common sense.

IOW: Pack some rain gear or get wet.

gn
The last of the Speedstah/Hurricane Guys from Beaufort.
Got'cha Harley "York Manufacturing" shirt right here, Vince!
I used to run a tow truck and a flatbed years ago.

We always secured a J-hook chain as far as possible apart, as near to the wheels as possible. This chain was pulled taught by a winch.

The rear chains were also attached as far as possible outward and crossed (or Xed). The technique allowed the suspension to work over bumps and I never had a car come loose on me.

So if you strap the wheels, or chain it from the suspension, do it so the car is able to let the suspension work.

I have even seen race car guys weld a chain link to a lug nut and strap a car down with one lug nut from each wheel.

Good luck and safe driving to you all, have fun and drink a beer for me!
We are leaving this Sunday morning with an overnight stop in Cedar City UT. We'll miss their monthly Sat Nite Cruise but there will be a Hot Air Balloon festival the entire weekend.

Monday night will be a stopover in Moab UT for a Land Rover 60th Anniversary National Rallye and a tour through Arches National Park (maybe I'll unload the Speedster to do this). Then a Tuesday night stopover in Keystone UT (Ski area) to visit a friend. Wednesday afternoon we'll be pulling into Dusty's driveway.

WooooooHoooooooo!! Loveland here we come!!

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We're still planning on arriving Thursday evening.

RED TUB due in the shop tomorrow morning for alignment. (I may see how leaky she really is, it's supposed to rain. The shop is about 35 miles away but I don't want to risk changing the appointment, took me a while to get this one. The guy is the only one that the mechanic would "trust" with the car. I visited his shop to check it out and schedule the date and there is no doubt he specializes in only the "old" stuff.)

Found tie downs like Dusty has for the trailer. May have a little squeeze on the 2" clearance through the standard wheels, but shouldn't hurt anything. Need to figure out if I can have "D" rings welded on the trailer. If the owner objects, may have to figure something else out...

Finally found a couple of brown bag speedy things to bring. (Hey Vince, I hope you're bringing something entertaining.)

Carol has the second part of our trip all planned. Mount Rushmore, Devil's Tower, Sturgis (she wants to check it out before I take a trip on my own), and places inbetween. Dusty, I'm going to send you a PM - I may need some place to leave the RED TUB on the trailer for several days while we make the rounds. (My better half still refuses to take an extended drive in the RED TUB. Hey guys, is there someone that wants to trade with me that has something with electric windows, real heat and A/C?)

Best regards,
Cal
Dusty - We gather in Townsend on the 10th, and run the Dragon on the 11th. I will be in the area from the 8th through the 13th. You and the LMS should try and come over a couple of days early and join us.

Aaron and I have been emailing each other about trying to set something up in Lake Lure, next year. Gordon's interested as well, and has a few ideas. It'd be great if you and Sharon were nearby and could join in.
To All,
Loaded the RED TUB on the trailer tonight and strapped her down. Had to put the trailer wheels at the end of the driveway (in a dip) to make loading front wise possible without scraping off the tail pipes. Will keep my fingers crossed that we can get the car off when we get to Dusty's!

Found that I can reach the end of the trailer with the strap
hooks purchased, without the need for adding "D" rings. Will take a picture tomorrow when it's light outside to make sure that folks think this will do.

Still trying to picture Alan's post about strapping the top one third of the tire/wheel and attaching to the sides of the trailer. Is it possible that this works better than bringing the straps through the wheels and directly out the front / back like Dusty's?

Best regards,
Cal
yippeeee, the time is almost here. Darrin and I can't wait, we need a vacation, havent been ANYWHERE since Morro Bay, pathetic I know. We fly out Wednesday at 1 pm, don't know exactly when we will pull into Loveland. We have a car rented in Denver and will probably drive around there a bit on the way.

Can't wait to see all of my "speedy" friends, kinda bummed I won't have my car, but oh well, it will be great to get away.

See you next week!
We're ready to go and the pictures of how she's strapped to the trailer follow. HOWEVER, it rained like the dickens today (I mean it really, really poured) and the RED TUB leaks. Okay, I'm not surprised....but I don't have a clue on where to start, or rather stop, taping. I made a joke about the RED TUB becoming the BLUE BASIN previously - it might just come to that.

In any event, what do y'all think about the strapping down arrangement on the trailer? I did a small run, about four or five miles down some bumpy roads at about 50 mph and she didn't budge.

Still planning on leaving very early on Thursday. Can't wait!

Best regards,
Cal

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Looks great, Cal, except I'd cross the rear straps. I.E. left tire to right rear of trailer, right tire to left rear of trailer. I don't quite remember why, but that is the way I was taught when I towed cars for a living.

Have a safe Speedy drive, wish I could make the national gathering. :(
If you've got the strap length and body clearance, I would probably cross the front straps, too.

On the back, be careful that you have clearance between the crossed straps and the engine sump. If you do, cross the straps. If they rub on the sump, then leave them straight.

gn

P.S: Looks like Ike is heading for the Great White North and the rest of the week AND weekend in Loveland will be absolutely GRAND!

Have a great time, EVERYBODY!!!!

gn
Cal,
Crossing straps might be good advice, BUT I have never crossed and have never had the car move more than 1 inch sideways over some extremely rough back roads. Just as you have it should be fine if you don't drive crazy.

One word of caution ... cut up some inner tube rubber and make some small cushions to put between the wheel holes and the straps. I found that sometimes there is a sharp edge that cuts through the strap. Since using the tube rubber I have had no problems.

Drive careful and we will see you in a day or two.

Dusty and the LMS
To All,
Just came back from a 40 mile jaunt over some rough pavement (you know those concrete two laners where your bladder has to empty every so often - at least us old guys have that issue) and then on interstate at about 70 - 75 mph. The RED TUB didn't move, whew!

I don't have enough strap length to cross either the back or the front, however, they are a bit spread apart so hopefully this will serve roughly the same purpose.

Dusty, thanks for the hint about the inner tube padding. The straps have an additional sleeve already, but I'll try to stop at a tire place and see if they'll give me an old tube to cut up before I leave.

Just learned that Carol (wife) is planning to load the truck with boxes of my oldest daughter's possessions. Every time my daughter and her husband visit us in Oklahoma, they never have enough room in their vehicle to carry anything back. Think we're going to look like the Beverly Hillbillies driving up to Colordo Springs to drop off the stuff!

Still expecting to be in Loveland in time for a drink - or maybe more than one!

Best regards,
Cal
Will truly miss those folks that had to miss the event - we'll catch up at another time.

Okay, we're ready. Taped up the car, put on the rubber tube insulation on the wheels, and loaded the boxes (after dark - and we're leaving before light!)

Loveland here we come!

Best regards,
Cal

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Have fun with that, Cal! I saw the paint thread -- very funny!
Be safe. Everyone else out there will be distracted by the Speedster, and some will hang out alongside the trailer and eventually start to drift into it. Be alert and look for them, but more importantly, give yourself room to scoot if you have to.
Crowd the lane if need be -- you've got the load.
We are HERE!!!!! The hotel is great, very nice, clean and friendly staff. Looking forward to seeing everyone. Its beautiful here!

Ahhh, Vince, I am soooo bummed you and Terri cant make it, what a big time bummer! I hope things go ok for you this weekend, hang in there and give our best to Terri.
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