Anyone running the Vintage 190 wheels that Seduction Motorsport sells?
How do you like them?
Do they increase performance like braking or acceleration noticeably?
And, is anyone running them with hubcaps? (I know, you're all outlaws here)
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I think Rusty has a set he has been running for a while. Longfellow has a set. His car should be up and running any minute now.
Im running a wheel combo that is as light or lighter. I don't track my car or drive it in such a way that I would notice any noteable performance improvement.
YMMV
Ted
Regardless of the kind of driving you do, a lighter wheel will be an improvement in every category: braking, accelerating, turning, gas mileage. Lighter weight = lower rolling resistance.
In theory... I dont disagree. I can't argue physics. I also can't say that the difference translated into something I could notice.
Will, you're converting from four-bolt to wide five and then adding hubcaps?
I thought converting to wide five added mucho weight in the hubs compared to four-bolt, before you even bolt on the wheels.
Mitch, the rear conversion adds zero weight, simply different brake drums. The Vintage 190 wheels drop about 10 lbs of wheel weight (per wheel) from what I've heard.
On the front, the rotors will be heavier, by how much I don't know, guessing 4 lbs apiece? But again, with a 10 lb reduction in wheel weight, it's still lighter than the 4 bolt and steel rims.
I don't think the hubcaps will add much but I guess I could search PCA classifieds to get a set of Carrera aluminum caps, of course then my car would be worth $50K...
Jury's out on this one, I may and I may not, but it would be a cool way to get 10 hole rims with the weight loss as well.
I guess the lighter wallet will help compensate, too.
If I ever build a 550 or a 356 with wide 5s I will use these wheels with brushed aluminum. If Greg Leach sells these wheels I know they are quality. I really wish Henry (IM) could figure out how to use wide 5s with 914 or 911 front suspension. I really want an outlaw 356 which or course mandates the use of wide 5s. Just not sure I'm willing to accept front VW torsion bar suspension. Does anyone know if Carey's (Beck) new front suspension that he is developing with Chuck Beck will accommodate wide 5s?
Sacto Mitch posted:
I guess the lighter wallet will help compensate, too.
...maybe I'll just leave off the front hood, that will save about 20 lbs...
All things considered (Terry's remarks about performance included), I think for any driving with a significant other in the right seat, the most sense is still having a set of Carey's four-bolt wheels painted or powder coated to taste and done.
This assumes you want the look of baby moons no matter what.
Reducing the unsprung weight (anything not supported by the car's springs). e.g., tires, wheels, brakes, axles, has major handling advantages in addition to the weight savings of the car body and associated sprung weight. That's a major reason why wheel manufacturers offer forged wheels for performance driving, since they are lighter and stronger, thus "faster".
I'm a rookie, so I couldn't feel a difference in lightened unsprung weight with my "butt dyno", but an experienced race driver would know.
I have a set of 15x51/2, polished, they look great. I had fake fuchs wide 5's before and these are much lighter plus they have a little more backspace. My car has a 64 pan, link pin, short swing axle and I have about 3/8" clearance on each side and I think I could fit 195 65x15 tire. I can't quantify if it made any difference but they look good, no hub caps!
Chris
Chris,
I'm not sure, but the fake Fuchs, with your flat matte paint look pretty nice and just the right amount of difference.
Great lookin car either way.
Art
I think on the street only an experienced driver would maybe notice the wheel weight difference, and then only when he's really "pushing it". It's not that you'll be able to tell specifically, but with the lighter wheels it will just do that much more of what you "ask it to". Al
PS- Looks good with the wide 5's, Chris!
I looked at my 911 front end and I would think you could add spacers but I am not sure if the solution would be very elegant... just saying.
Will Hesch posted:Sacto Mitch posted:
I guess the lighter wallet will help compensate, too.
...maybe I'll just leave off the front hood, that will save about 20 lbs...
I believe someone here just tried the delete hood option :~(
Of course, we all know that new shoes make you faster. When I was a kid, I got a new pair of Keds at the beginning of every summer. For the first few days, none of the neighborhood kids would race me.
...My PF Flyers were the fastest and we won't even go to my back up Buster Brown's :~)
Chris, I like the 914 seats, good call!
and...the Vintage 190's look way better than the Fuchs...
sherco_chris posted:I have a set of 15x51/2, polished, they look great. I had fake fuchs wide 5's before and these are much lighter plus they have a little more backspace. My car has a 64 pan, link pin, short swing axle and I have about 3/8" clearance on each side and I think I could fit 195 65x15 tire. I can't quantify if it made any difference but they look good, no hub caps!
The fake fuchs (5x130 or wide 5) are 4-5lbs. heavier, being castings and not forged (like real Fuchs). The difference is 12 1/4 vs. 16 1/2- 17+lbs for a 15x6. Cast aluminum wheels are also somewhat brittle- a curb bump can break the wheel at the bead area, while the forged wheel will generally bend (I have seen a Fuchs 15x7 with a piece torn off- the idiot 944 owner was drunk and hit the curb hard!) and quite often can be straightened. If it's minor you may not even lose tire pressure with the forged wheel. I know casting technology has advanced, but I don't think it's possible (yet) to cast a wheel that's as light or as strong as a forged wheel (at least at a price point that makes it half-way affordable). Al
Hey Al, ALB@ I've sent my 15x7 Minilite styled wheels off to Greens to get them narrowed by one inch.
Hopefully, that will bring my offset down to around 15mm and give me the clearance I need in the front.
