You should take it down now - people bidding may be looking at other cars - its not fair to have them think they are bidding to win something that is clearly no longer for sale.
Classified postings do not allow for discussion (replies are not allowed). Direct message the member if you would like to discuss the item.
The Classified section is open to any individual (non-commercial firms) posting of items for sale. Members posting commercial advertisements must be enrolled in a Supporting Merchant program.
Postings without relevant details (PRICE, location, condition, etc.) will be deleted.
Was not expecting this feedback. Not to say that I am upset about it, I encourage the honest comments.
That said last year I sold a 911 on ebay, collected deposit, guy came down drove car and had me change a few things, wheels and tires and change carrera stripe color. Asked to arrange shipping and a day later backed out. After that it left the car with a stigma people wanted to know what was wrong with it and in the mean time I lost the under bidder.
So what to do, the car is apart now and partially buffed.
I hate these kinds of shenanigans on eBay. If its not for sale, then don't pretend it is.
Just put yourself in a bidders shoes. Sorry about your experience with the 911, that must have been frustrating, but.......
I am feeling really bad now, I realized that I did not put my disclaimer that I try to put on anything I sell, that the item is available locally and online and could be sold prior to auction ending.
I am going to take the ad down now.
The high bidder owns the car.
Nasty business....you are robbing others of the opportunity to bid on or sell other cars in good faith.
Seller on eBay can do what ever he pleased but has to walk in his own shoes so to speak. I see the ad is gone but IMHO a crappy way of doing things .
Alan is correct. An eBay seller can decide not to sell at the end of an auction. Sucks, but those are the rules.
Troy Sloan posted:Alan is correct. An eBay seller can decide not to sell at the end of an auction. Sucks, but those are the rules.
Just curious, Troy. Is that rule fairly new ? I've sold a lot of stuff over the years on Ebay but not so much recently. I think there was a time when a seller was obligated to make the sale at the end and could not close a sale early unless for some legit and serious reason . Thanks...
Well I took down the ad, I feel bad after hearing all the comments. Yes I do have to walk in my shoes, which sucks as well because the wife wanted the money ( which was ALOT more from ebay than my friend and looked to be climbing daily) and my friend a car guy also ( that helps me with my projects, if I need it) wanted the car badly. Anyway I did not realize what a commotion this would cause, sorry for all that.
I never considered myself being shady, I always represented the car truthfully.
On the bright side I get to use it whenever I want and it will be returned to a very nice state shortly. I will keep posting progress on it.
You've done the right thing so we can move on. I hope your friend enjoys the car.
Troy has lots of ebay experience, but I think he may have mistakenly said that ebay rules allow for a seller to not deliver the goods if he so decides, even in a case of high bidder with no reserve. At least, that's how I interpreted his post above.
From my reading, that's not the case. A seller is bound to sell the goods at the winning auction price if there is no reserve, unless a narrow set of circumstances occurs, such as seller realizing his product is faulty, illegal to offer for sale, etc. Do sellers sometimes refuse to honor the auction and deliver the goods? Of course. Does the buyer have a recourse? Yes, but the legal remedies available may be too cumbersome/expensive/time-consuming (enter appropriate adjective here) for the average consumer to use. That means that a negative review of the seller is, in many cases, the only practical alternative for the disgruntled buyer.
It is actually remarkable that the percentage of successful sales is so high on ebay, when you consider the potential pitfalls. It's not always a wolf in sheep's clothing that uses sleazy tactics on ebay. There are beginners who just don't understand how the system is supposed to work. Caveat emptor!
David Stroud posted:Troy Sloan posted:Alan is correct. An eBay seller can decide not to sell at the end of an auction. Sucks, but those are the rules.
Just curious, Troy. Is that rule fairly new ? I've sold a lot of stuff over the years on Ebay but not so much recently. I think there was a time when a seller was obligated to make the sale at the end and could not close a sale early unless for some legit and serious reason . Thanks...
I was recently involved in a similar situation as a buyer and called eBay about it. They told me that a seller had the right to decide not to sell to anyone even after the auction. The only recourse was negative feedback, but that is a two way street so I decided to just drop it.
However, I have been misinformed by eBay support when asking questions in the past. Especially with eBay Motors sales, which are governed by different rules than the rest of eBay. It's hard to know if the person you are talking to is really the expert or not.
Same thing earlier today on ebay, a very nice silver VS widebody, 400 miles new etc. already had 15 bids on it nearly 30K and 3 hours later pulled and not available. It gives the seller all the options to pull or not and the bidder who is relying on the information and the vendor to hold up his or her end gets screwed. If people are going through the process of cash/financing, shipping.. etc., in expectation of buying a car and make a legitimate bid, the car should be there until the auction is over. Its a bit shady.
And what recourse do you have if a winning bidder flakes out?
I suspect ebay gets their commission if you cancel auction early? I pushed my Speedie down to LMW on Santa Rosa Sound to build up some of that $13k patina. I'll list it when the license late light rusts away.
crhemi (Bill) posted:And what recourse do you have if a winning bidder flakes out?
Negative Feedback I guess. Doesn't sound too encouraging though.
flyn-hawn posted:Well I took down the ad, I feel bad after hearing all the comments. Yes I do have to walk in my shoes, which sucks as well because the wife wanted the money ( which was ALOT more from ebay than my friend and looked to be climbing daily) and my friend a car guy also ( that helps me with my projects, if I need it) wanted the car badly. Anyway I did not realize what a commotion this would cause, sorry for all that.
I never considered myself being shady, I always represented the car truthfully.
On the bright side I get to use it whenever I want and it will be returned to a very nice state shortly. I will keep posting progress on it.
You did what you did, live and learn. Next time make sure you put in the ad that you can end the auction earlier, yada, yada, yada.
But hey, you got to help out a friend and sometimes that's more important.
HEY FRIEND ROBERT M
I'm in need of your help with something to drink, bring me some Guinness!!
your friend,
tebs
ok folks lets see if hes true to his words and I quote;
" But hey, you got to help out a friend and sometimes that's more important".
You guys are cute, and really kinda' funny.
I bought and sold a bunch of cars on ebay 15 years ago, until it became what it is now: a place to advertise a vehicle for sale. The pure "auction" ended about 5 rule-changes ago.
Ebay figured this out a long time ago, and structured their listing rates accordingly (no more "pay when you sell" stuff. You'll pay up front, thanks). I totally understand the "seller reserves the right to end the auction early, item for sale locally" business too-- I got burnt on a buyer who had figured out how to gig the system about 10 years ago. If I were ever inclined to give it another go (I'm not)-- I'd probably just have a price in mind, answer every email offer to buy it, and sell off auction, and pay Ebay for giving me a world-wide platform. The whole "auction drama" was/is really just an amped up way to market the car. I can't remember the last time I saw one make it to the end and go to the highest bidder-- maybe on "BAT", but not on "the bay".
If that's not "fair" than you've probably not tried to sell a car online. Real buyers aren't looking to snipe a car-- they just want a fair shake. An auction doesn't give anybody that chance. There are a LOT of flaky "I'm gonna buy that" trolls mashing the buttons on their keyboards.
Troy sells a lot of cars on eBay. I can't remember the last time one of his auctions went until the end.
Thank you Stan...
I would now like to bring Troy up for his retort.....
Troy You have the floor...
ps Stan there ya go messing up my opportunity to get some Guinness...
best regards,
Tebs
lol
Stan. The last one that went to the end of the auction was the silver grey JPS on November 22, 2015 and there were two bidders fighting it out right to the last second. Following that, I sold my slate grey outlaw with a fixed price. Most of them have sold with the Buy It Now option and a few have sold outside of eBay after the auction ended. The black outlaw I will soon be selling on eBay will be a fixed price listing.
Teby S posted:HEY FRIEND ROBERT M
I'm in need of your help with something to drink, bring me some Guinness!!
your friend,
tebs
ok folks lets see if hes true to his words and I quote;
" But hey, you got to help out a friend and sometimes that's more important".
See, there you go messing things up.
I can't buy you a Guinness now because if I do you'll say it's because you told me to and not because we're friends. Real friends don't ask their friends to prove they're friends. Now I need to rethink our friendship. Are you really my friend or I am just a free beer provider or just some guy you call to help wrench on your Speedster?
Tell me Teby.........what am I?
I think YOU owe me the beer now; making me question our friendship like that. When you get it figured out call me, I'll be at Troy's house or with Anand having a beer.
For the new guys going to SLO this year, this is Teby:
I'm not sure who he's hanging out with though (Teby's holding the sign)
Attachments
Images (1)
Troy Sloan posted:Stan. The last one that went to the end of the auction was the silver grey JPS on November 22, 2015 and there were two bidders fighting it out right to the last second. Following that, I sold my slate grey outlaw with a fixed price. Most of them have sold with the Buy It Now option and a few have sold outside of eBay after the auction ended. The black outlaw I will soon be selling on eBay will be a fixed price listing.
Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:You guys are cute, and really kinda' funny.
I bought and sold a bunch of cars on ebay 15 years ago, until it became what it is now: a place to advertise a vehicle for sale. The pure "auction" ended about 5 rule-changes ago.
Ebay figured this out a long time ago, and structured their listing rates accordingly (no more "pay when you sell" stuff. You'll pay up front, thanks). I totally understand the "seller reserves the right to end the auction early, item for sale locally" business too-- I got burnt on a buyer who had figured out how to gig the system about 10 years ago. If I were ever inclined to give it another go (I'm not)-- I'd probably just have a price in mind, answer every email offer to buy it, and sell off auction, and pay Ebay for giving me a world-wide platform. The whole "auction drama" was/is really just an amped up way to market the car. I can't remember the last time I saw one make it to the end and go to the highest bidder-- maybe on "BAT", but not on "the bay".
If that's not "fair" than you've probably not tried to sell a car online. Real buyers aren't looking to snipe a car-- they just want a fair shake. An auction doesn't give anybody that chance. There are a LOT of flaky "I'm gonna buy that" trolls mashing the buttons on their keyboards.
Troy sells a lot of cars on eBay. I can't remember the last time one of his auctions went until the end.
And there you have it.... STAN v. TROY EBAY AUCTION DEBATE
The Judges will now make their formal review and decide the winner of the EBAY debate 2016.............
tebs
Attachments
Images (8)
She's cleaning up nicely!
Alan Merklin posted:I am not knocking this speedster but putting things into perspective ...... All door, hood , deck lid latches, handles, gauges. All wiring and switches, all lighting, all trim, anything that is metal will have issues. Entire brake system too. Then even though it happens to run, there surely are Gremlins and unknowns within the engine bay ....I think the heavy steel items could be wire wheeled and painted. The top snaps are rusted and that will have stained the material and the carpet bad.... Perhaps the paint can be brought back but I wouldn't bet on it. Assuming that the aluminum wheels and windshield frame can be fine sanded and polished. A minimal investment of over $5000 plus the buyers time IF....... he is lucky enough to be able to do all the work without labor costs. A Lot Of Work ...and even I would pass on this one. 'Drclock'
To address some of these things,
ALL the trim was junk and rusted or pitted so it was all replaced with new shiny junk from VS. All the bumper hardware was replaced with stainless, and anti seize used on every piece so in the future it will come off without problem ( hopefully)
Brakes had to be turned front and rear, surprisingly the calipers and wheel cylinders were in good shape.
The engine runs fantastic but found the fuel filter had actually rusted thru and was leaking directly onto the left heat exchanger. Replaced the line and filter as well as rerouted the hose. Once my RSR is done I will have more time to help my friend drop the engine/transaxle and get everything there powder coated, plated, painted etc. and switch to IRS
Wiring looks to be ok at the moment and everything is functioning properly.
The snaps on the top are NOT rusted and have not stained any of the fabric. However they have lost their luster and all snaps are being replaced on the body and canvas. The carpet has not even been vacuumed yet and does look to have minimal staining, but I believe it will come out pretty good with a steam cleaning.
I personally did the cut and buff on the paint and if not for a few chips it is outstanding, well as far as it can be considering the underlying bodywork and paint was obviously not done to concours standards. Honestly I do not think that VS even blocks these cars out prior to paint, but hey for $32k done, I would not expect it. The paint, body and metalwork alone on my 911 was more than that.
The wheels can be polished for $65 each but my friend is leaning towards putting Fuchs on the car and does not want to spend money on them since he won't be using them. So the 17" wheels that came with it are for sale.
The windshield is coming out today and the frame sent to the polisher as the pitting is pretty bad and I don't have time to help him with that
So far $$$ wise he has spent $933 on trim, brakes, snaps, ss hardware, 3M compound and glaze. He wil have to buy a new set of wheel studs to change over to the 5x130 pattern, polishing for window frame and wheels and tires. I am thinking another $1500 and he is good to go.
Far cry from $5K but he and I are both capable of the mechanicals so labor was not figured into that equation.
Good that you and your friend could do that work .
Considering of the cost to buff the wheels, do you have a price for the wheels ?
Hi Alan, I will ask him, do you have any idea on value/worth to you?
Flyn-hawn.
Check your PMs. I sent you one with my phone number a while ago.
The real question is what does he want for them? 
Caution: pics w headlights on shows the lights are very yellow, which tells me that they are not getting the 12v they should. iF BATTERY IS LOW, THEN MAYBE OK, but if battery is up to snuff, then I think there is a wiring/switch issue that could eat this car alive, if not fixed. Which is to say there is too much loss somewhere, and loss = heat, and too much of that means flames. Word to the wise. Install relays for the headlights, and take the current needed to make them go off of the dash switch.
Looks like a terrific resto. Good on ya!!
Troy in respect to Stan's comment. I did not have to pay ebay in advance for my sale. I had it on ebay but my sell was thru another site. I sold my JPS 4 years ago. And it was not thru EBAY. Has it changed that u pay in advance and if they work on a percentage how do they charge you. I am asking as we are thinking about selling two of our cars
flyn-hawn posted:Hi Alan, I will ask him, do you have any idea on value/worth to you?
Just send me his best instant pay price via dialog message tnx !
Flyn, I believe I messaged you about the rims long before anyone looked at this post...
Bill. I sent the Dialog below 4 hours ago!
This is Troy in Fresno. I'm interested in the wheels. How much do you want for them?
559-908-3258 you can text me or call if you like. Thank you.
Flyn-Hawn.
Take a look at your Dialogs and see which one was the earliest. The most recent will be at the top of the list.
Also, I'm in California and can pay and arrange for pick-up with no shipping involved.
Okay everyone let me set the record straight, Bill (CRHEMI) replied by a private message first and then drclock 2nd and troy 3rd. I have not talked with my friend but will put up price as soon as I do.
thanks,
dave
Ok, I want the rims.
I've got dibs because technically I was the first to post anything to this site and the previous mail list 18 years ago!
Besides, I can change the date of anyone's dialog. I've got first!
So how much?
-=theron
Just talked with him and he said $800, he said VS sells new for $1500. I do not know just relaying what I was told. There you go guys let me know