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Prior to writing Steve a deposit check, I thought I'd post to inquire if anyone either has, or knows of anyone that has one of Steve's newer Subaru templated 356A Cabriolet's for sale. I love what he's done; the old school design that only Ferdinand could have come up with, and the craftsmanship that Steve brings combining that on top of new 2013 technology.

 

My other plea would be to ask if anyone is considering giving up there place in the waiting line at SA, if the spot was close enough, I'd buy the spot in line at a bit of a premium.

 

Thank you, appreciate you tolerating my shameless intolerance for waiting in line. :-)

 

Bill Thomas

Private email: porsch356@usa-one.com

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Originally Posted by Bill Thomas:

Prior to writing Steve a deposit check, I thought I'd post to inquire if anyone either has, or knows of anyone that has one of Steve's newer Subaru templated 356A Cabriolet's for sale. I love what he's done; the old school design that only Ferdinand could have come up with, and the craftsmanship that Steve brings combining that on top of new 2013 technology.

 

My other plea would be to ask if anyone is considering giving up there place in the waiting line at SA, if the spot was close enough, I'd buy the spot in line at a bit of a premium.

 

Thank you, appreciate you tolerating my shameless intolerance for waiting in line. :-)

 

Bill Thomas

Private email: porsch356@usa-one.com


SMART TO ASK AS THE WAITING LIST IS YEARS

this is from the vendor specific forum

 

 

 

November 12, 2013 9:53 AM


I have been a supporter of Specialty Auto-Sports on this forum for a number of years.  I no longer am, and here's why:

 

Short-term problems: Steve Lawing of SAS continues to tell prospective buyers that the build time is 18-24 months.  The last 4 cars built, including mine, AVERAGED 5.2 years in build time.  In 2013, SAS will build ONE car, mine.  How can you run a company if you aren't building cars?  Simple, just take deposits. 

 

Long-term problems: Steve Lawing and his supporters on this stie have continued to state that his legal problems are the result of impatient buyers who have unrealistic expectations, he is building cars by hand, a true craftsman, etc.  Stephen W. Lawing filed for Ch. 7 liquidation bankruptcy, which was only finalized in 2012.  There were 20 unsecured creditors who lost a total of $479,588.  These were prospective buyers who paid the money and never got the car.

 

I only discovered all the facts in this matter when I couldn't get my car back from SAS after he was doing a "speedy repair" from a blown head gasket.  I thought I would lose the car in another BK proceeding, and feel lucky that I got it back at all.  It needs work, but I will get it done.

 

I raised these concerns on the Specialty Auto-Sports web site, and my subscription was cancelled.  I have reams of records that suggest that the real business of SAS is getting buyers to pay a deposit, not in building cars.  SAS has not been licensed as a manufacturer by TN for over 2 years.  The court has several unpaid judgments against them, and yet they continue in business.

 

Steve Lawing was interviewed by Channel 6, WATE, in Knoxville.  He blamed his legal and money problems on impatient customers.  Go figure!

 

As I always suggest, do your own research if you are thinking of sending a deposit to SAS.  Check with the Eastern District of Tennessee Bankruptcy court, check with kitcar.com, with WATE channel 6, Knoxville.  Caveat emptor.  I take no pleasure in posting this.  This kind of behavior by SAS hurts customers and the industry as a whole. 

Naughty,

 

thank you for the detailed account. I'd heard some of this prior, but had thought this was several years ago And was behind them. i figured it was just some bad economy blues you know. I definitely need to do much more research prior to making any sort of deposit. 

 

Maybe this explains why I'm not finding SAS 356's out there for sale, maybe there aren't any...

Bill--there are plenty of SAS out there---plenty.  They are not for sale because the owners love them and won't part with them.  They are works of art and a real automobile---if you can score one.

 

Despite Gerd's post there are many good stories too.  

 

Tom's advice is valid and from what you posted I'd either go the Beck route or see what Intermechannica has on hand right now.  Look at the "makers" tab above and look at refurbished Speedsters for sale or even a new one. 

 

You have found the best place there is for learning what you need to know.

Originally Posted by Jack Crosby, Hot Sp'gs,AR,VS RabyTypeIV:

Bill--there are plenty of SAS out there---plenty.  They are not for sale because the owners love them and won't part with them.  They are works of art and a real automobile---if you can score one.

 

Despite Gerd's post there are many good stories too.  

 

Tom's advice is valid and from what you posted I'd either go the Beck route or see what Intermechannica has on hand right now.  Look at the "makers" tab above and look at refurbished Speedsters for sale or even a new one. 

 

You have found the best place there is for learning what you need to know.


JACK, I THINK U R WRONG WHEN U SAY THERE ARE PLENTY OF SAS OUT THERE. DEFINE PLENTY. THERE ARE PLENTY OF IM, VINTAGE, BECKS AND JPS OUT THERE. JIM PROBABLY KNOWS HOW MANY R OUT THERE BUT I BET LESS THAN A DOZEN. THE FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEM HAVE SOME GOOD STORIES BUT I SURE THE HELL WOULDNT SAY MANY. AND THE PERCENTAGE OF OWNERS WITH GOOD REPORTS COMPARED TO THE PERCENTAGE THAT ARE UNHAPPY, ARE STILL WAITING FOR THEIR VEHICLE OR NEVER GOT THERE VEHICLE DUE TO THE BANKRUPTCY FILING JIM MENTIONED MUST BE SMALL IN COMPARISON TO THE LATTER.  AND IF I HAD TO WAIT 5 YEARS FOR A BUILD I SURE THE HELL WOULDNT COMPLAIN, I WOULD BE TO EMBARRASED. YOU HAVE TO GIVE JIM CREDIT FOR SPEAKING UP FOR PEOPLE LIKE BILL.

I try to be consistent when I state facts that take some effort to discover.  My advice to a potential SAS customer is to do your own research, don't just take one person's opinion or statements as true, including mine.  Find out on your own.  The facts I stated can be checked by asking relevant questions to SAS or getting info from government agencies, like the Eastern District Tennessee bankruptcy court, or news agencies, like channel WATE in Konxville TN.

 

Ask Specialty Auto-Sports how long the wait is for a car to be built.  In the past 12 months, three different posters on this site have stated that Steve Lawing told them they would wait 18-24 months.  SAS hasn't built a car in that length of time for at least 8 years.  For the record, Hoss' car was the first built.  I think it was built in 2004, but I could be off by a year or two.  To date, SAS has built 20 Speedster/Cab/coupe replicas, as advertised on their site.  That pencils out to about 2/year.  Unfortunately, even that snail's pace doesn't tell the true story, since the build time has increased severely in the last three years.  There are 2 guys still on the list who paid their first deposit in 2007.  They will spend over 7 years on the list in a best-case scenario.  The next car being built is for a guy who paid his deposit in 2008.

 

My coupe will be the only car built by SAS in 2013.  Can anyone envision a scenario in which a car-building company can remain in business by building one car/year?  There really is no queue with SAS.  The queue is not tied to deposit date, it's tied to the customer that makes the most noise.  I bought a guy out who joined the queue in May 2008, and had 26 months in line, then I spent 3.5 years in line.  My 5.5 years is average for the last three cars from SAS, not 18-24 months. 

 

I will respond honestly to specific questions, but I am not going to become known as an anti-SAS blogger, with repeated bashings.  Life is too short and I have more productive things to do.  Unfortunately, I am old friends with righteous indignation, but I'm putting him away in the closet, and moving on. 

Gerd--I'm not going to rehash this.  It's all been said already.  All the guy has to do is search this site and make his own conclusion.  Yes, there are some good stories out there but Jim"s was pretty bad, no doubt.  I believe that Jim has every right to share his story because he is telling his own experience.

 

Jim knows I support him 100%.

 

Your Caps lock seems to be on. 

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