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I am deep into my engine build and just purchased a used set of Redline Weber 48 IDFs  I found on the Samba.  I asked the guy if they were stock right out the box and he said yes.  He shipped them to me with the original Redline boxes.  When I got them cleaned up and started looking at the jets and venturis, I realized it was not stock.  I am wondering if I should change over the stuff to what the CB performance jetting charts says

                                   Mine                 Stock                 CB chart

Choke Venturi             37                 40                          40

Main Jet                      145                150                        175

Idle jets                        55                   55                         60

Air  Correction         175                  180                      200

 

 

The motor I am building is a 2275 with Engel W120 cam and 1.25 rockers.  My Panchitto heads should arrive next week.  I am going for some where between 9-9.5 to 1 compression ratio.

I originally purchased and still have a set of the EMPI 44 HPMX for the build.  I paid $600 for the two Weber 48 idfs, which I thought was a good deal.  It will cost me over $200 to upgrade the jets and venturi.  ACN seems to be the only place I can find the 40mm venturis

What are you thoughts?

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For the best driveability in a street engine, most people will tell you the venturis should be 2-4mm smaller than the intake valve, so 37's are the right size for an engine with 40mm intakes. Bigger may give a few more very top end hp but will wash out lower rpm throttle response (where you will spend most of your time driving). Talk to ACN for jetting recommendations and be prepared to "play" with the jets a bit to get it right. Know what emulsion tubes the carbs have as they will influence things as well. Al

I think the 44's are actually a better match for what you have, and the engine may be happier throughout the rpm range with the smaller carburetors. What vents are in the 44's? 

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Bobby, call Randy Resetar at Redline in Torrance, CA. His number is: 1-800-733-2277 extension 7237

Randy's a VW guy, has lots of experience with built motors and can help dial you in.

John at Powerhaus VW Parts, also in Torrance, has a wealth of Weber knowledge as well: 1-310-328-2746

 Mike Pierce, owner of Pierce Manifolds in Gilroy, CA knows Webers inside and out his number is: 1-408-842-6667

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Bobby,

Generally the books and VW guys you contact are going to recommend big honkin' vents, idles, and mains, because most books (Tomlinson's included) and VW guys think that everybody wants to drag-race their car every weekend.

For a street car, Al's (ALB's) recommendations should be heeded. A 2275 with Panchitos would be really, really happy with 40s. 44s will be fine. 48s will be huge. You don't have enough head to support what they will flow. All the drag-race guys will want you to go bigger. I wouldn't.

It's a good place to start. You may end up bumping up both the idles and mains, but starting a bit small and working up will make you happier than the other way around.

The best investment you can make (after a snail-style air-flow meter) is a wideband O2 sensor. You can see a lot with that. The next purchase I'd make would be a set of jet guides and reamers.

You'll do great.

Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

It's a good place to start. You may end up bumping up both the idles and mains, but starting a bit small and working up will make you happier than the other way around.

The best investment you can make (after a snail-style air-flow meter) is a wideband O2 sensor. You can see a lot with that. The next purchase I'd make would be a set of jet guides and reamers.

You'll do great.

Bobby, you could purchase a Vintage Speed (Taiwanese) stainless exhaust system which comes with O2 sensor bungs/plugs on either side of the exhaust canister. Plus, they sound great and look extremely close to the stock Speedster exhaust. Sacto Mitch and I are both running them (possibly others on here, I don't know).

My Porsche guru Jim Ansite has a portable O2 meter which we used as we were jetting my 44's, it was super-helpful and when I pull my spark plugs now, they're caramel brown, running right where they should be.

I ended up with 34 venturis, 60 idles, 135 mains and 185 air correction jets. I also set the floats at 10 mm closed, 32 mm open. My electric fuel pump supplies a steady 3 psi.

Stick with it and you'll reap the benefits.

Will

Hey Will

I am definitely going to change my exhaust.  Do you have a picture of the one you purchased.   I was thinking of going with A1-sidewinder with the center exit.  I think I need at  least 1 5/8 or 1 3/4 to get good flow.  I was also debating on the A1-Sidewinder with the bottom exit so I can drop the car lower.  I have a spot on my driveway that my current pipes hit if I am not super careful.  I had to raise the car up to clear the driveway.  I think the speedster would look better lower to the ground.  What muffler are you guys liking?

From what I've read, the Vintage Speed exhaust starts giving up hp at somewhere around 4500-5,000rpm compared to the A1 Sidewinder. Jim Beahm's header size chart (published in Hot VW's in 2012?) has 1 5/8" primaries good from 2600 to 6450rpm on a 2276, while 1 3/4" is good from 3,000 to 7500rpm. With what you're building, go with the smaller tubing for better throttle response in the lower rpm's (where we do spend most of our time driving). To get the best of both worlds you could have it built as a step header ($60 extra, I think, and I don't get why more people don't have this done), although I would ask Tiger at A1 if this would be worthwhile for you. Al 

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Exhaust needs to be no bigger than 1-5/8".  If you have low compression go with 1-1/2". Your running a engle 120?  Is it straight up or advanced?   Straight up works but the power band comes on strong in upper rpms. Advancing it a couple degrees gives you more low end.  My logic is that normally 48 IDF out of box are a pain to tune do to the large Venturi. The 36 or 37 venturi will be fine. Or step up to the 40 but no bigger.   Start with the 55 idle jets. F11 tubes, air either 190-200. And 140-145 main jet.  You call five different tuners and will get five different suggestions. All should be close.  Before you start making adjustments the linkage needs to be adjusted properly, engine warm!  Several issues fall back on the carbs not being sync!  I would work with the Venturi you have then once to have it dialed in and some miles on it then buy a set of 40mm Venturi    Don't buy the 42 or 44   Difficult to work on a street motor  they will give you a flat spot that will drive you nuts!      That's my 2 sense!

If your in NorCal contact me.    

For anyone with a Beck, Vintage Speed makes a Beck Specific version of their exhaust for me.  I am sure they'd sell it directly if asked (and I don't mind and the 2 I have in stock are going on builds)  Anyway, we changed the muffler to sit 12mm lower than their stock, allowing for better clearance of the rear valence.  We also extended the tips by 50mm so they protrude just slightly past the bumpers like the originals...

I do not have any dyno testing done on this muffler, however I recently replaced a  sidewinder with a  VSpeed and felt no difference...

I plan on shipping one to Pat as he completes my next batch of engines and will follow up with actual dyno results.

A 2275 with 9.5-1 compression is going to be tough to cool in a Speedster. Better have a heck of an oil cooler with a big fan, a deeper oil sump and even better a Carrera deck lid with louvres.  Also make sure you have all the right tins on the motor.  If you don't believe me, search some of the posts by Pat downs about engine sizes, compression and cooling.

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