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As if things weren’t bad enough for the legendary Ford Mustang, the EcoBoost 2015 model sends engine sounds through the vehicle’s speakers!

 

It’s all due to the decline in the muscle cars muscle.  Once the envy of car enthusiasts worldwide, often featured in films driven by Hollywood heroes, the muscle cars of yesteryear with their hood lifting V8 engines no longer come off the assembly lines due to new emission standards and other ecological adaptations and adjustments.  It’s now a four cylinder, high performance world where cars have more speed due to being composed of lighter materials.

The problem here is that these four cylinder, ecologically friendly, high performance engines just don’t kick out that primal, jungle roar of their predecessors.  It was that engine roar that made people turn their heads on the streets, caused deer to flee, cows to stampede and dogs to run under the porch for protection.  In the good old days, when a muscle car came down the road you heard it before you saw it.  Nowadays however that celebrated roar had to be fabricated and pumped in.  This is achieved by something called by Ford as Active Noise Control.  This system is designed to mask out unwanted noises but deliver the authentic noise that the classic versions of these cars are legend for.

Sounding a bit like doublespeak, chief engineer of the Ford Mustang line, Dave Perciak explained what Active Noise Control does.  Perciak states that the system delivers the sound from the engine through the speakers after processing the sound by also amplifying “the existing engine sound order,”.

So far only the EcoBoost model of the Mustang has this system and the competition is waiting to see what happens next.  If the public takes to the system then it’s a good bet it or something similar will appear in lots of models.  It would be hilarious knowing the ingenuity of the public when customizers of muscle cars take the speakers and put them outside the cars to get that sound blasting toward the public, making that historic roaring noise of the classic muscle cars wafting over the landscape and scaring both man and animal alike.

 

Muscle car fans are picky.  They don’t like pretense.  They love the history, performance, looks and power of the greats but creating a sound system to amplify the engine’s sound might not cut it.  Maybe it will but only time will tell.

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Agreed that running the engine sound through the stereo is dubious.

 

The rest...about "the decline of muscle car muscle"...meh.

 

GM is putting 580 horsepower in its Camaro, right out of the damn box. The noise is from an all-aluminum, pushrod V8 displacing 6.2 liters. It has a blower. The current "Hot Wheels" version of this beast has a built-in exhaust cutout system, solenoid-operated--for more exhaust noise on demand.

 

Try going back to 1969 and ordering any of that as a COPO. 

 

The least you can get in a Dodge Challenger is 303 horses. That is from a V6. The strongest V8 they have is now rated at more than 700 horses.

 

That's factory. And, remember, that horsepower rating is much more "true" than any number any of the big 3 pasted on a mill in 1969. 

 

Mustangs, also, have more than 300 horses from their base v6. The 5 liter V8 has 400 ft-pounds torque at 4000 RPM, normally aspirated. It makes 435 hp at 6500 RPM.

 

There is a lot of lame stuff in the "new" muscle cars. Most of it in the form of sound-deadener and electronics at about 600 pounds per vehicle. What is most certainly not lame is the power they make. 

 

The power they make is certifiably insane; proof that our nation's car culture has not matured in the slightest over the past 40 years. 

 

The Ford EcoBoost will almost certainly go the way of the SVO Mustang. Americans will demand--and get--seven-liter monsters and 12mpg until civilization collapses.

 

Next up: Mad Max.

 

Originally Posted by edsnova - Baltimore - BCW 52 MG TD:

Agreed that running the engine sound through the stereo is dubious.

 

The rest...about "the decline of muscle car muscle"...meh.

 

GM is putting 580 horsepower in its Camaro, right out of the damn box. The noise is from an all-aluminum, pushrod V8 displacing 6.2 liters. It has a blower. The current "Hot Wheels" version of this beast has a built-in exhaust cutout system, solenoid-operated--for more exhaust noise on demand.

 

Try going back to 1969 and ordering any of that as a COPO. 

 

The least you can get in a Dodge Challenger is 303 horses. That is from a V6. The strongest V8 they have is now rated at more than 700 horses.

 

That's factory. And, remember, that horsepower rating is much more "true" than any number any of the big 3 pasted on a mill in 1969. 

 

Mustangs, also, have more than 300 horses from their base v6. The 5 liter V8 has 400 ft-pounds torque at 4000 RPM, normally aspirated. It makes 435 hp at 6500 RPM.

 

There is a lot of lame stuff in the "new" muscle cars. Most of it in the form of sound-deadener and electronics at about 600 pounds per vehicle. What is most certainly not lame is the power they make. 

 

The power they make is certifiably insane; proof that our nation's car culture has not matured in the slightest over the past 40 years. 

 

The Ford EcoBoost will almost certainly go the way of the SVO Mustang. Americans will demand--and get--seven-liter monsters and 12mpg until civilization collapses.

 

Next up: Mad Max.

 

I've been a car-guy since I was 13 years old. There has NEVER been a better time to be a car-guy. A man can walk into a dealer, sign for a loan, and drive out with something I couldn't build (back in the day) for many, many tens of thousands of 1980 dollars.

 

Regarding Mustangs: the '13 GT500 was capable of a claimed 200 mph, but it was all a big lie (the magazines kept telling me): the car "only" ran 197 mph, or some such thing. The Hellcat will do it though, legit (they say). 200 mph is about 60 mph faster than I've ever gone in anything. Ever.

 

A Hellcat will run in the 10s in a quarter, on street tires, with the AC blasting, on pump gas. 10 second cars "back in the day" ran drag-slicks and tubs, with huge engines burning race-gas and a shot of NO2, most likely.

 

I'm with Ed. I'm glad to have lived to see the day.

Yeah, what happened to exhaust tuning to get the preferred sound? Just because technology exists to modify sound by electronics, doesn't mean you have to use it!

 

I'm in the camp with Stan, there really has never been a better time to be a car guy.

 

The only problem with cars today is all the sound deadening, electronics, hydraulics, air bags etc. that add all that weight. But the cars are making enough power to compensate, which is why performance is good and gas mileage really hasn't risen at all.

 

I have a 9 year old Audi wagon with 300hp, but it weighs 4700 pounds! No it isn't a sports car, but you get the point. So much content adds so much weight, all the electronics and features are nice but it gets 16mpg.

The genius of the pony/muscle car is the various powerplant and trim options. A coed can buy a V6/automatic Mustang/Challenger/Camaro, and have a nice little runabout. Guys like you and me can get King-Kong vs. Godzilla horsepower, and a manual trans for about 2x the cost. The high volume cars pay the R&D freight for the cars we really want, and make them possible at what seems to be an impossible price. It's marketing genius.

 

The engine soundtrack BMW, et al pump into the car through the stereo is just emblematic of the new euro approach to everything. You cannot buy a Ferrari with a manual gear-box. That is a crying shame. I don't care if the computer is better than me-- if I wanted the computer to do everything for me, I'd just wait for a Google Pod to come along, so I could happily ignore the drive.

 

Driver involvement is what makes driving a joy. It's what makes driving my speedster a "happy-place"-- all the mechanical things happening in concert to transport em down the road. It's a relatively slow car, and very crude by any objective standard-- but it's "alive" under me, and I'm the only computer making any decision in the car.

 

"Hey, is that real?" Yes sir, more real that anything in your garage, no matter what it is. 

"Driver involvement is what makes driving a joy. It's what makes driving my speedster a "happy-place"-- all the mechanical things happening in concert to transport em down the road. It's a relatively slow car, and very crude by any objective standard-- but it's "alive" under me, and I'm the only computer making any decision in the car."

 

You nailed it, Stan.  Another reason that cars synthesize sounds, particularly in Europe, are the restrictive loudness restrictions in the nanny states that seem to be springing up everywhere.

 

There was a lot of discussion on the Mini Cooper board I used to follow about a mysterious closed-end plastic tube that ran from the intake manifold to the firewall.

 

Since it wasn't connected to anything at the firewall, there was endless speculation about its function and MINI was always coy with its answers.

 

Turns out it is a 'sound tube' to bring the sound of the engine and turbocharger whine into the cockpit for a more, um, fulfilling 'motoring' experience.

 

I can just picture a BMW engineer explaining this to Alec Issigonis, the hyper-practical designer of the original Mini.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by alnbobbikay..2005 Intermeccanica "RUBY":

It has been said that Ruby produces a fair amount of Throaty Rumble. Like angry squirrels on steroids! Twin Magna-Flow 4" stainless mufflers,and custom built headers by Kaspar's Speed Shop. If you have ever been behind Ruby,you can attest to the unique sound of the "flat 4".

I can attest.  

Originally Posted by alnbobbikay..2005 Intermeccanica "RUBY":

It has been said that Ruby produces a fair amount of Throaty Rumble. Like angry squirrels on steroids! Twin Magna-Flow 4" stainless mufflers,and custom built headers by Kaspar's Speed Shop. If you have ever been behind Ruby,you can attest to the unique sound of the "flat 4".

Do you have a pic of your exhaust?

The muffler makes all the difference in the world. 

The new exhaust system on my IM has an A1 sidewinder header, which goes to one big Magnaflow muffler mounted beside the passenger side valve cover.

What will be different is my muffler has one 'in' opening and two 'out' openings.  One of the 'out' pipes will come directly back to the rear of the car and the other 'out' pipe will travel towards the front of the car, turn and cross over the transmission, and then turn again towards the rear of the car.  Both pipes will meet at the center rear of the car. 

I'm hoping the sound will be worth the added expense.  It also might give me a few more ponies.

 

The end pipes will look very similar to this:

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, I spoke with Chris as well about doing a tri-Y for type one a couple of years ago. He was very very interested. His exhausts are unbelievably well-made, and very desirable.

I crawled under Rich's car when he was down last summer to get a good look at what he had. What he has is a work of art. Very few people understand how nice that exhaust really is, and how special.

"Driver involvement is what makes driving a joy."

 

Yes that is the key.  Can't get much more involved than w/ a Speedster, is what I say.  Of note: I saw a review of a new Porsche 911 style car being offered by the gang in Zuffenhausen. It goes straight to driver involvement.  First, the lines of the car are reminiscent of the 70's 911s, to my eye.  So there is that.  But the deal is it has a normally aspirated 3.2 or 3.5 liter mill and -- get this -- a transmission where you push in a pedal on the left side to allow you to move a lever in the center console to change gears up or down.  You release the pedal to re-engage the engine and off you go.  They call this a "clutch".  No PDK, no torque converters, no paddles, no buttons, no PRDL.  Amazing.  Oh, you can do this gear shifting thing six times while going fwd.  Yes, that means it is a seven-speed trans.  Talk about "involvement"!!   And yes the PDK version of this car is a bit faster, ultimately, in  a 0-60 or 0-80 drag race.  By about 0.2 sec, says here.  Saw a review in the Wall Street Journal recently.  Look it up.

 

And my car has the sidewinder and side-slung Magnaflow, single outlet.  It is relatively quiet at low power just putting along, and very satisfying when you get on it.  As to "sounding like  a Porsche" (by which I think one means an old 356) it is not that.  There is only one like that -- the original.  On the other hand, there is no mistaking the engine as an air-cooled one, and it is close enough to original for me -- better in some ways, due to much increased displacement.  Just sayin' . . .

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