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I have been plagued with higher temps and have been trying to rectify the problem...the new 1-5/8" merged header is just a couple weeks away. Anyway, I'm driving along 70mph at 3500rpm with the gauge reading 220, then at a fairly quick pace the gauge starts to go up. It starts hovering around 250! The stock gauge has moved up as well but only 1/4" above the low bar. I pull over to check things out and find everything in place, no drips, no smoke. I get back in the car and take off with the gauge reading 220. I start heading down a hill 3500rpm, 70mph and the gauge starts heading up to 250 again. I push in the clutch and the gauge drops down to 220! Let the clutch out and up to 250.
What's going on? Do I have an over-active alternator? Or perhaps it's the dreaded bad ground? I am running two temperature gauges; the stock vdo as well as a calibrated vdo. They are on different senders in different locations. Both are affected but by different degrees. Can somebody figure this out? And while you're at it, can you tell me how to fix a clutch pedal that sticks to the floorboard when pushed all the way in?
Thanks guys

Terry Nuckels

 

2004 JPS Speedster "Penny"

 

The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.

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I have been plagued with higher temps and have been trying to rectify the problem...the new 1-5/8" merged header is just a couple weeks away. Anyway, I'm driving along 70mph at 3500rpm with the gauge reading 220, then at a fairly quick pace the gauge starts to go up. It starts hovering around 250! The stock gauge has moved up as well but only 1/4" above the low bar. I pull over to check things out and find everything in place, no drips, no smoke. I get back in the car and take off with the gauge reading 220. I start heading down a hill 3500rpm, 70mph and the gauge starts heading up to 250 again. I push in the clutch and the gauge drops down to 220! Let the clutch out and up to 250.
What's going on? Do I have an over-active alternator? Or perhaps it's the dreaded bad ground? I am running two temperature gauges; the stock vdo as well as a calibrated vdo. They are on different senders in different locations. Both are affected but by different degrees. Can somebody figure this out? And while you're at it, can you tell me how to fix a clutch pedal that sticks to the floorboard when pushed all the way in?
Thanks guys
Terry; check out some other posts on those gauges; they are Chinese copies of the Brazilian VDO repro 356 gauges and are very inaccurate at that. Their quality leaves a lot to be desired and it's a shame since they look so good but regrettably, that's all that's available for folks wanting the genuine look, short of getting some reworked originals from Palo Alto Speedometer which are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination.
Terry, Regarding your clutch pedal problem, check to see if there is any debris (small stones-gravel) on the floor board that are getting stuck between the bottom of the clutch pedal and the floor pan, or that the floor pan has not been bent up a bit and is interfering with the clutch pedal travel.
As far as the temp gauge dilemma, leave the one in the dash alone, it sounds like it is giving you a pretty good idea of engine temp. Take the other temp gauge out of the car and discard it, and then drive and ENJOY your car.

Good Luck, Have Fun,
Lets do Fernandos soon!
Joel
"I am running two temperature gauges; the stock vdo as well as a calibrated vdo. They are on different senders in different locations. Both are affected but by different degrees. Can somebody figure this out? And while you're at it, can you tell me how to fix a clutch pedal that sticks to the floorboard when pushed all the way in?"

First, you should get a 100 - 300 degree candy thermometer about as long as the bottom of your dip-stick, put it in where the dip-stick goes and find out what your oil temp REALLY is. That's the only reference I would trust versus your gauges.

It's suspicious that BOTH gauges are changing in the same direction at the same time. A temp gauge is nothing more than an Ohm-meter which displays a variable resistance versus a reference voltage. If your alternator's voltage regulator circuit is going South, or you have a corroded wire connection somewhere, your gauges will begin to fluctuate.

Start by connecting a volt meter to the +12V side of your temp gauge, (where it feeds the gauge, NOT the gauge lights), start the engine and watch what the voltmeter shows as you rev the engine. You might also leave the voltmeter connected and go for a drive and see how it changes when your temp gauges start to climb.
It should stay around 12.5 - 13.8 max. If it's less than that, you may have a corroded 12V connection to the gauge, or a bad voltage regulator in the alternator. If the voltage is over 13.8V, then the alternator is probably going bad.
Either high or low voltage from the alternator (out of spec) will make your gauges mis-read high or low. This is sometimes made worse on very hot days, too (just a portent of bad things to come). If it's low, just trace the 12V wire back from the gauge and clean any connections you find, including the fuse. If that doesn't improve anything, then it may be the voltage regulator.
If it's high, it's probably the voltage regulator and the alternator will need to be re-built.

On the clutch-pedal return: Most likely the pedals have rusted shafts and are sticking when pushed.
There should be a grease fitting on the rear of your pedal cluster. Shoot some grease in there and see if the sticking doesn't stop. If you have no fitting, then the only cure is to remove the pedal cluster, oil it up well while moving the pedals back and forth to lube them on their respective (concentric) shafts. Once they're completely free, clean them up and re-install.
This can sometimes be done successfully without removing the pedal cluster, but put a rag under the pedal assembly to catch excess oil while your lubing the heck out of it and moving the pedals back and forth to free everything up. I would use Marvel Mystery Oil to free them, and then regular motor oil (any weight) as a final lube.
If that doesn't cure it, the only other friction point is in the Bowden tube on the side of the transmission. Remove the clutch adjusting wing-nut and remove the Bowden tube, making sure you don't lose any shim washers at the top. Using a grease gun, shoot about 3 or 4 good shots of grease into the tube and put the cable back in (it'll push a bunch of that new grease out the other end). Re-assemble the tube to the tranny mount, along with the same shim washers, and re-set your clutch pedal free-play to 3/4" - 1" at the pedal.

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Terry,

One more thing, I have had good results using Valvoline Racing oil 20-50w. I do not run one but if you have a welded and balanced fan you can run a 356-style fan pulley. The smaller pulley should increase your fan speed by about 11%. The reason I don't use the smaller pulley is that I think it contributed to premature bearing failure in my alternator.

Karl
Guys, Thanks for the responses.
Gordon, I think it's related to some electrical issue. I have tried the dipstick thermometer route, I borrowed one from Joel and used it to verify the readings I was getting from my calibrated gauge. The dipstick gauge would read 210 while the vdo registered 225, I felt the discrepency was because the sending unit for the calibrated gauge was located on the block by the sump and was giving different readings, like Karl mentioned. I'll try and test the wiring this week.
Karl, I'm running a 96 plate external oil cooler and a 1-1/2 quart sump as well as using 40w oil. I have seen virtually no differences in temperature with these additions. The carbs have been set up by my mechanic for optimal performance at my altitude(1400 to 3500' elevation). I experience a flat spot in power around 4200rpm which I believe will be corrected with the new 1-5/8" exhaust.
I'm thinking of removing the sump as I am growing tired of always scanning the road ahead for high spots. The heart jumps with every bump. Has anybody tried CB's windage tray to reduce the oil sloshing?
Joel, my buddy, my mentor, I hear you about ripping the gauge out and being free! I'm almost there, but I just have to make sure that I have taken care of all the little issues. I think once I get the new exhaust I'll be at peace. I'm back in town next week. I'll call you about dinner.
Ricardo, I understand what you're saying about the quality of these gauges. There must be a company that still makes a quality product. A lot of experimental aircraft use T1 and T4 engines. They surely must have a line on accurate and trustworthy instruments. Maybe it's worth looking into.
Karl,
I'm running the typical doghouse unit the majority of us have. I ordered a 2110 from JPS and believed that all of the engine components would be matched for performance as well as reliability. I have since learned that the exhaust is too restrictive for the size of the motor as well as the carbs. I'm not sure if I have a T4 cooler or not.
The ambient temperature yesterday was 85. The car was running great. I know Gordon has to be right about the electrical theory because of the effect on the gauge when I took the load off the engine.
I am going to install a new 1 5/8" header, have the carbs adjusted for the new exhaust, buy a dipstick thermometer and check the results. Hopefully I'll have the temp readings around 200 - 210 under warm conditions and spirited driving. By the way Karl, what temp readings are you getting under similar conditions?

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Terry:

I have a 2110, dual 40mm Dells, 1-5/8 Berg exhaust, 1971 VW cooling shroud and fan with a 1971 VW cooling tower, 10W-40 oil right now, with a DeRale 16-pass external cooler with an electric fan that comes on at 185 F.

Just made a run down I-195, averaging 75 - 80 MPH (just keeping up with traffic towards Cape Cod). Outside temp is 88 F and humidity is 83%. I-195 averages about 50 feet above sea level, according to my GPS.

While driving and immediately after stopping, the dipstick temp was 200F. While I was stopped, it rose to 205 and sat there til I drove off and then it went back to 200 F.

Sounds similar to what Karl is seeing, but I don't think Karl has a fan on his external cooler - makes a difference of about 20 degrees.
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