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Wheel arche problem

stevespritestevesprite
I am well on the way with my Pilgrim flared wheel arche California Kit, however I have discovered a problem with the wheel arches ! The wheels sit far too forward in the arches and look absolutely ridiculous.

I have spoken at length with Tony at Pilgrim who has in turn spoken to Willy at L and B It appears that this problem is fairly common.

The suggestion is that the flared wheel arches are cut off, moved forward and re bonded onto the body. ( Tony at Pilgrim has said that he would undertake this or pay me to do it)

Have any of you self builders out there had to do this before. Has anyone got any tips or hints on how to do this ?

Any help or sensible suggestions would be greatly appreciated
1959 Pilgrim(Flared Speedster)
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stevespritestevesprite
I am well on the way with my Pilgrim flared wheel arche California Kit, however I have discovered a problem with the wheel arches ! The wheels sit far too forward in the arches and look absolutely ridiculous.

I have spoken at length with Tony at Pilgrim who has in turn spoken to Willy at L and B It appears that this problem is fairly common.

The suggestion is that the flared wheel arches are cut off, moved forward and re bonded onto the body. ( Tony at Pilgrim has said that he would undertake this or pay me to do it)

Have any of you self builders out there had to do this before. Has anyone got any tips or hints on how to do this ?

Any help or sensible suggestions would be greatly appreciated
execk2execk2
And the rear wheel is OK? If the rear wheel is OK then could it be that the pan was not cut correctly? There is a CMC build manual here which I will find and modify my post. in there you can see how the pan needs to be reduced in size from the standard Beetle.

I think that you may want to check your measurements before modifying the body. It may be that the body is the issue, but like grandad used to say, measure twice and cut once.

Here you go, speedsterowners.com/library/cmcmanual2/images/cmc17.jpg

I downloaded the whole manual, page by page and printed it. Invaluable info.
S shambly
Steve,

I guess if the rear wheels are centred in their arch and the wheelbase dimension is correct then you have little choice but to adjust the position of the front arches - they perhaps look positioned a little more rearwards than a standard body.

I'd get oversize replacement sections from pilgrim to minimise the amount of work you have to do rather than reusing the section cut out.

Hope you get it sorted,

Simon
JogyverJogyver
Steve. Is this a car that you are presently building?It really looks like the pan was never shortened. If it someone elses project that you purchased take a look on the pan floor and see if there a few obvious weld seams. That would be the first check. Check the wheel base from hub to hub. Is it a standard beetle chassis or a super beetle chassis? The more information you supply to the members the more we can help.
Joe
FM Former Member
I superimposed the front wing of my CMC onto the L & B body.

Using the bottom corner of the door as the datum, it looks as though the wheel is in the right place.

It looks like the wheel arch is too narrow and is too far to the rear.

From what I can see, you may be able to get away with minimal grafting of new glass, and mostly be cutting away the stuff.

Although, if as you say this is something Pilgrim is aware of then I would get them to do all the bleedin' work as it was their cock-up in the first place.

Jim.
stevespritestevesprite
Jim

Thanks for that it is extremely helpful.


The problem lies with the wheel base. The wheel base on my rolling chassis, (which fits the suplied sub chassis perfectly)is 2155mm.

L and B who sold the project to Pilgrim say that the wheel base should be 2125mm Which would put the wheels in about the right place.

Tony at Pilgrim has admitted fault, but to get the vehicle back to him to do the work would be a bit of a nightmare. Thats why I have agreed to do it and him pay the costs.
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