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I wanted to put a shout-out to you all regarding Whitecloud's new (3rd) engine.

As you may know, after 2 complete oil losses on our way home from Vintage Speedsters, it was only 2 weeks until the 1914cc engine blew-up.

Kirk made it right by sending me a check for over $5K which is what Powerhaus in Torrance charged me for a short-block 2110.

I spent a year putting the finishing touches on the engine and the car and it ran fairly well for about 6 months until it gave up the ghost with less than 3,000 miles on it due to cheap, Chinese parts used by Powerhaus.

My buddy Jim Ansite, a 30+ year veteran Porsche air-cooled expert rescued me on the side of Highway 41 and diagnosed the problem which among many other faults, was an obliterated brass (or some other alloy?) crankshaft timing gear. The engine and oil lines and coolers were full of brass particles.

Jim removed the engine and tore it apart to find lifters that were pitted, a camshaft that had flat lobes and wear on the main and rod bearings.

We decided a new engine was necessary and I voted Jim most likely to succeed building a new one for Whitecloud, what with his many years of building, installing and tuning everything from 1500 Normals to 4-cam race motors.

As he started ordering parts, he turned to Pat Downs who was a friend of his and soon realized that though Porsche and VW's are similar, kindred even, there's a lot of differences beyond price.

Jim decided that Pat should build the engine and I agreed. After several phone conversations we agreed on the general plan and I shipped all usable parts to him.

I only wish I'd hired Pat 2 years ago when the 1st engine went south.

He had so many good ideas, a magnesium case for starters which weighs 20 pounds less than aluminum cases and runs cooler as well.

Since my heads had loose valve seats and were not worth saving, Pat suggested Panchito heads with port-matched manifolds and CNC'd combustion chambers.

We honed the cylinders and put new rings on the A-1 slipper-skirt pistons.

We polished the crankshaft which was claimed by Powerhaus to be a Scat but which had no markings of any kind.

Pat balanced the engine which was not done by Powerhaus and it runs so much smoother as a result.

We used a Shadek oil pump, free-flowed the case and along with the new upright oil cooler, I put another Setrab fan-pack external cooler behind a Mocal sandwich plate with thermostat for good cooling.

We re-used the 1 1/2 quart deep sump along with a new JayCee Mag-X cover.

Pat built the engine and hand-delivered it from Visalia, CA to Paso Robles, CA to Jim's shop, how many builders will even consider doing that?

Jim and I put all of the external tin, shrouding and exhaust system and installed the engine.

It ran good but still backfired so we agreed with Pat that an A-1 system was necessary so it was ordered and installed.

Whitecloud had a flat-spot which we couldn't get rid of so we put a John Wilhoit re-curved Porsche .022 distributor in and set the timing at 33 degrees and the flat spot disappeared.

I've been driving the car every day now, loving the smooth power, how it starts instantly in the morning, idles smoothly even when cold and doesn't require a long warm-up, a minute at most.

It runs cool and the stainless A-1 exhaust is quieter than the Vintage Speed which I really appreciate.

Pat Downs is the main-man when it comes to VW engines of any size and his help with jetting and tuning information really helped Jim Ansite get Whitecloud running perfectly.

I count myself blessed to have 2 of the worlds best mechanics on my side and willing to give information and help when I need it.

Finally, after 2 long years, I have the car I always wanted.

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For the poor, every day brings trouble, but for the happy heart, each day is a continual feast! 

Proverbs 15:15

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"soon realized that though Porsche and VW's are similar, kindred even, there's a lot of differences beyond price."

Ain't it the truth.  I know three engine builders in New England that I would trust.  Two of them only work on 356's and won't touch a VW T-1.  The other only works on VW and won't touch a 356.  They know.....And they all stay in their comfort zone.   Every time I see inside a 356 I think, "Wow!  That's different, and that's different and why did they do that? and so on.

Glad you finally got the car of your dreams, Will - Been a long, frustrating time coming and you deserve it.

aircooled posted:

Will.....I sincerely hope this is it now ! Having Pat involved  was a good thing...he knows his stuff. Occasionally I get to watch him at work down here at Chico's performance. As you say how many guys like him would come all the way down here to get things done or help someone ?  I hope he sticks around for a long time.....Bruce

...me too Bruce, he and Jim both!

Will:

There is no one happier for you than myself..  I happy your happy with the car and the new engine...  I cannot tell you how many times I'm able to get into Miss Jill, Start her up and go and in any weather and so will you.

  Pat is brilliant, you tell him what you want out of the car engine... Wham He delivers to the tee.   

So get in that thing and drive it..  Remember do everything he tells you as far as maintenance and White Cloud will run flawlessly.

peace man!! 

Tebs

 

 

 

Gordon Nichols posted:

"soon realized that though Porsche and VW's are similar, kindred even, there's a lot of differences beyond price."

Ain't it the truth.  I know three engine builders in New England that I would trust.  Two of them only work on 356's and won't touch a VW T-1.  The other only works on VW and won't touch a 356.  They know.....And they all stay in their comfort zone.   Every time I see inside a 356 I think, "Wow!  That's different, and that's different and why did they do that? and so on.

Glad you finally got the car of your dreams, Will - Been a long, frustrating time coming and you deserve it.

A little off subject but while you are talking engines I wonder if 356 heads will fit on a T-1?  I like the way the intake valves angle on the Porsche heads. Also does anyone make repro 356 heads like they make VW heads?  Thanks.

Fpcopo VS posted:

A little off subject but while you are talking engines I wonder if 356 heads will fit on a T-1?  I like the way the intake valves angle on the Porsche heads. Also does anyone make repro 356 heads like they make VW heads?  Thanks.

No such luck; as Will said, they won't fit. And while the idea of putting 356/912 heads on a type 1 seems attractive, the cost of everything Porsche is scary and the value/performance of a good set of VW heads more than offsets any benefits the P units might "bring". 

What size engine and power level are we talking about?

Will, it sounds as though you've gone though the mill in terms of engines. I'm doing a bit of the same on the East Coast with my CB 1915 engine.  We don't have the same resources that you have out on the Left Coast but I'm surviving. Right now, I'm pondering putting the 'big' engine back in the car or keeping my "summer" engine in the car; my summer engine is a "stock" '67  single-port engine with an Engle 110 (?) cam, 87 mm pistons and jugs light flywheel, and a Tri-mil two-tube exhaust...and at least it "sounds the part". I have no problem going out and starting the car and having it fire up on the first turn. It accelerates extremely well and it 'don't leak drop one' of oil.  I AM still having cooling issues in hot weather and am thinking about adding a deeper oil sump, except my Beck is rather close to the ground.  Summer is on the way out so I'll probably put the 1915 back in and just drive in the early mornings or late night.

Enjoy your car, Meade

Thanks Meade, it's great to have a car that...works!

I would suggest not getting the sump. I have a 1 1/2 quart sump but it makes driveways and bumps in the road a challenge.

Instead, I would run a fan-pack cooler in the driver's side wheel-well along with a Mocal sandwich plate with thermostat which will also hold an oil filter.

You'll gain about a quart of oil capacity with the lines, filter and cooler with the added bonus of ensuring you have cool, clean oil for either engine.

Will

To all, and again:

An extended sump is not meant for cooling.

I'm not sure where this misconception started, but there it is. A remote cooler is meant for cooling. An extended sump is meant to keep a higher-revving engine (and one with the cooler it is going to require) from running out of oil. Having oil at the oil-pump pick-up is a good thing.

I imagine that in a short amount of time, maybe 15 minutes, an engine with 10 quart oil capacity, would have the same oil temperature oil as it would with only 3 1/2 quarts.

The only way to cool any amount of oil is with a cooler or coolers and those need cool air from fans or front air induction like the air-cooled Porsche race cars used.

Stan Galat posted:

To all, and again:

An extended sump is not meant for cooling.

I'm not sure where this misconception started, but there it is. A remote cooler is meant for cooling. An extended sump is meant to keep a higher-revving engine (and one with the cooler it is going to require) from running out of oil. Having oil at the oil-pump pick-up is a good thing.

Stan is correct.  If not, then why would Porsche have moved to dry sump engines? 

It's the oil coolers that do the job of cooling, not the sump.  I like to think of my IM6 as being an 'oil-cooled' car - dry sump with two fan fed oil coolers up front.  It's amazing how the engine temp. drops when I switch on the two oil cooler fans.

So, get a fan fed oil cooler for heat, and an extended sump for oil capacity. 

Bob: IM S6 posted:

Will, the look on your wife's face (I assume that is she) seems to say so much about your two year ordeal.

It's as if she is saying, "Yes, I am still here, and so is the car".    Some wives would have either dumped you or the car months ago...

Methinks you owe her a lot.

Meknows I owe her...more than words can express. She grew up in a family of 8 with 5 siblings. Her father described her to me as: "our angel" and that she is!

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Stan Galat posted:

To all, and again:

An extended sump is not meant for cooling.

I'm not sure where this misconception started, but there it is. A remote cooler is meant for cooling. An extended sump is meant to keep a higher-revving engine (and one with the cooler it is going to require) from running out of oil. Having oil at the oil-pump pick-up is a good thing.

Can't stress this enough- a sump with more oil for the pump pick up is needed to protect an engine driven spiritedly in the corners (and freeway entrance sweepers) but adds almost nothing noticeable to cooling. A full flow filter will also add slightly to cooling, but again, it's primary purpose is not cooling! The filter's purpose is to keep the oil clean, and although it has extra oil in the filter and lines, they do nothing for oil capacity as the oil is not available for lubrication. That is the sump's job!

If your oil is too hot and you know it's not bypassing the stock cooler at highway rpm's (10psi per 1,000rpm rule) then it's time for a cooler/fan/thermostat assembly. And again, oil in the extra cooler and lines (and filter) does nothing to increase sump capacity. An extra sump, full flow filter and added cooler all have separate purposes.

A bit tardy, but thanks for the information.  I'll look it up and investigate placement in the rear riverside wheel well.

My left rear wheel bearing is leaking trans fluid again.  I just spent $500 on an "import repair service" to have them replace the gaskets.  They charged me 4 hours labor...(I think I did it in about an hour).  They didn't fix it so took it to anther more friendly garage, and he didn't want to charge me anything to do it and they found that the $500 Guys didn't finish tightening the cap nuts OR the rear wheel nut...It's still not fixed, even after following the advice from one of the guys on the website here.

meade

Meade posted:

Anyone have any pics of how they have their fender well installation of an oil cooler??

Meade

@Meade you might want to start a new thread titling what you need.

Also, the search (magnifying glass) function on the upper right will find you what you need... most times.

Will, so glad you're able to drive her every day now. What a journey you took to get here!

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