And guess what... I'm not going anywhere or changing a thing.
I love the TIV engine and I will continue to promote it through any means possible...Verbal, written and you name it and I'll be there spouting the facts as I have seen them..
Whether it takes a person buying a junkyard TIV and converting it with whatever means they have or them buying the full monty from me as long as a car gets converted- thats all that matters.
Todd, nice to see you here!
Damn german engineers (VW and Porsche specifically) have a long history of refining and improving a proven package. Look at the 911 and the beetle, the type-4 is just the final evolution of the air-cooled horizontally-opposed 4 cylinder.
Ok, I am going to ask a very stupid question. Why can't a type (leave as is), (leave as is) engine with stock cooling be used in a speedster? Is there an issue with the amount of rear clearance with the so called frame? Is it the extra 50 or so pounds of rear weight? I've heard that cooling can be an issue, but wouldn't appropriately placed ductwork take care of that?
Just curious since my only problem with converting over to type (leave as is), (leave as is) is the pricing of the upright conversion kits is a bit to bite off on a military budget.
Jim
Just curious since my only problem with converting over to type (leave as is), (leave as is) is the pricing of the upright conversion kits is a bit to bite off on a military budget.
Jim
type 4 stock cooling system makes the engine too long to fit in the engine bay of speedsters and beetles.
Yes, the TIV cooling system creates an engine that isliterally the same size as a six cylinder, therefore the engine bay needs to be altered.
Going upright loses 50 pounds of weight, creates an engine that is easy to work on(parts more logically placed on the engine, more like a TI) and gives more even cooling than the stock arrangement.
Last night after I made my post I went inside to relax a bit. I started thinking about how far we have came with the recognition of the TIV engine. At the same time I was thinking how much I still push the subject the way I was in 1998 when the TIV was still in it's infancy here in the US, unlike it is today.
What I realized at the same time is the fact that I don't have to do this any more the way we used to when the closed minded enthusiast were abundant and thought that installing a Type IV into their car was as difficult as dropping in a Chevy 350
Despite conventional thought on this forum, I am not an asshole. Many of those here that have had the opportunity to talk to me on the phone or in person will vouch for that. The fact is that I believe in what I do with the TIV engine so much and the TIV in general that I go burzerk when those things I believe in are doubted by almost anyone. This is especially true when those that create the doubt are the ones that have never experienced a TIV engine in a Beetle or Speedster, yet alone one done my way.
So this is what I plan on doing:
I will continue to promote the Type 4 engine. I will do this in a different manner though and thats through my writings on my own website which I have just updated and almost have ready to share with the internet. By doing this I can bring out my strong points and promote the engine without pissing people off with my bull headedness that the only engine to use is the Type 4.
So what this manes is that the most you'll hear from me here on these forums when a thread like this comes up is something like this:
"The Type 4 engine has a multitude of benefits and yes it will fit into your car. The Type 4 conversion is something that can be appreciated by most and not welcomed or well suited for others. If you want to learn more go to www.aircooledtechnology.xxxxxxx something another. If you have questions for me you can ask those directly on my forum at the STF found at this link www.XXXXXXX and I will do my best to supply you with the information needed to complete the conversion"
And that will be about it. I don't expect everyone to appreciate what I do or even understand it. I also don't have time to bicker all the time any more.
I hope this will make the arguments more controllable and still help the individual poster.
Jake Raby
Going upright loses 50 pounds of weight, creates an engine that is easy to work on(parts more logically placed on the engine, more like a TI) and gives more even cooling than the stock arrangement.
Last night after I made my post I went inside to relax a bit. I started thinking about how far we have came with the recognition of the TIV engine. At the same time I was thinking how much I still push the subject the way I was in 1998 when the TIV was still in it's infancy here in the US, unlike it is today.
What I realized at the same time is the fact that I don't have to do this any more the way we used to when the closed minded enthusiast were abundant and thought that installing a Type IV into their car was as difficult as dropping in a Chevy 350
Despite conventional thought on this forum, I am not an asshole. Many of those here that have had the opportunity to talk to me on the phone or in person will vouch for that. The fact is that I believe in what I do with the TIV engine so much and the TIV in general that I go burzerk when those things I believe in are doubted by almost anyone. This is especially true when those that create the doubt are the ones that have never experienced a TIV engine in a Beetle or Speedster, yet alone one done my way.
So this is what I plan on doing:
I will continue to promote the Type 4 engine. I will do this in a different manner though and thats through my writings on my own website which I have just updated and almost have ready to share with the internet. By doing this I can bring out my strong points and promote the engine without pissing people off with my bull headedness that the only engine to use is the Type 4.
So what this manes is that the most you'll hear from me here on these forums when a thread like this comes up is something like this:
"The Type 4 engine has a multitude of benefits and yes it will fit into your car. The Type 4 conversion is something that can be appreciated by most and not welcomed or well suited for others. If you want to learn more go to www.aircooledtechnology.xxxxxxx something another. If you have questions for me you can ask those directly on my forum at the STF found at this link www.XXXXXXX and I will do my best to supply you with the information needed to complete the conversion"
And that will be about it. I don't expect everyone to appreciate what I do or even understand it. I also don't have time to bicker all the time any more.
I hope this will make the arguments more controllable and still help the individual poster.
Jake Raby
I hope Jake's last post, which indicates he is going to restrict the range of his ideas here, was in jest. Jake is the only person on this board who attempts to introduce the scientific method to his work. He develops a hypothesis, he tests it, and he publishes his data. Anyone who disagrees is free to analyze his work, run their own tests, and prove his claims wrong. That never happens. Instead, people take pot shots at him becuase they don't like the way he says things.
I don't know how to say this is a PC way, so I will just say it. My wife says to me, "Honey, its not what you said, its how you said it that got me mad." And I say, "I am sorry. I love you," because I am no dummy and marriage is the place for that. Men are from Mars and women are from Venus. But in the real world, in the business world, the high value people are the men and women who tell you the unvarnished facts. I can find any number of people to tell me things in a nice way, but its rare to find someone who has actually done the work. Jake seems to have done the work, and I don't think it is hyperbole to compare the emotional outbursts directed his way to the kinds of impedements put in the way of scientists for centuries.
This site is a big tent. There are people on here who think the most important feature of a speedster is a great paint job and fancy steering wheel. There are people here who have sought out Metalcraft or other tube frames with modern suspensions, stuck in a big engine and have what they consider to be a great sports car at a pretty decent price and don't particulary care that it has a speedster body.
Everybody has the right to cherish their special and unique reasons for wanting a speedster, and to offer their opinion about was is good and what isn't good. But it a world of unverifiable opinion, Jake offers us more. Don't shoot the messenger.
I don't know how to say this is a PC way, so I will just say it. My wife says to me, "Honey, its not what you said, its how you said it that got me mad." And I say, "I am sorry. I love you," because I am no dummy and marriage is the place for that. Men are from Mars and women are from Venus. But in the real world, in the business world, the high value people are the men and women who tell you the unvarnished facts. I can find any number of people to tell me things in a nice way, but its rare to find someone who has actually done the work. Jake seems to have done the work, and I don't think it is hyperbole to compare the emotional outbursts directed his way to the kinds of impedements put in the way of scientists for centuries.
This site is a big tent. There are people on here who think the most important feature of a speedster is a great paint job and fancy steering wheel. There are people here who have sought out Metalcraft or other tube frames with modern suspensions, stuck in a big engine and have what they consider to be a great sports car at a pretty decent price and don't particulary care that it has a speedster body.
Everybody has the right to cherish their special and unique reasons for wanting a speedster, and to offer their opinion about was is good and what isn't good. But it a world of unverifiable opinion, Jake offers us more. Don't shoot the messenger.
I don't consider myself a scientist at all. The fact is that ANY ONE can do what I do if they have the bearing and drive to stick with it.
I may not have a college degree but have 3 employees that do and a fourth finishing up a degree now. I really don't think that should have any bearing on anything.. Look at Carroll Shelby or even Edison- He went to school for less than ONE year (grade school)
I am quite proud of my accomplishments to say the least. When excellence magazine sent a journalist here to do a story I knew that I was appreciated. Excellence simply doesn't do that and I was absolutely blown away when they came to do the interview.
I worked today on getting two new videos going to showcase the TIV engine and also talked to a publisher to start the process of reviewing the book I have been working on since 1996 that is almost complete.
I have been very fortunate to have the right people around me, the shop to work in and the drive granted to me to work 16 hour days and never really get tired. I am just ready to stop the arguments, stop the doubts and get the facts out there in ways that can't be argued with..
Hell, at least if I sell videos and books I make bucks, why should I give any more of the information away for free????
I may not have a college degree but have 3 employees that do and a fourth finishing up a degree now. I really don't think that should have any bearing on anything.. Look at Carroll Shelby or even Edison- He went to school for less than ONE year (grade school)
I am quite proud of my accomplishments to say the least. When excellence magazine sent a journalist here to do a story I knew that I was appreciated. Excellence simply doesn't do that and I was absolutely blown away when they came to do the interview.
I worked today on getting two new videos going to showcase the TIV engine and also talked to a publisher to start the process of reviewing the book I have been working on since 1996 that is almost complete.
I have been very fortunate to have the right people around me, the shop to work in and the drive granted to me to work 16 hour days and never really get tired. I am just ready to stop the arguments, stop the doubts and get the facts out there in ways that can't be argued with..
Hell, at least if I sell videos and books I make bucks, why should I give any more of the information away for free????
Matt, the step Jake took in his last post was a very positive one.
Jake has every right to be proud of what he has accomplished. For a young man with no college education and very little formal training, to build a successful small business is something to be proud of. To accomplish this while constantly handicapping himself with his immature emotional outbursts is all the more amazing.
That which you call
Jake has every right to be proud of what he has accomplished. For a young man with no college education and very little formal training, to build a successful small business is something to be proud of. To accomplish this while constantly handicapping himself with his immature emotional outbursts is all the more amazing.
That which you call
Bill, you confirmed what I wrote, which is that some people don
Matt, your comment about deserving "Gold Stars" is exactly my point. You refer to Jake as a child. He just does not need to be framing himself that way anymore. If he got a mentor and saved his posts until he could discuss it with someone older and more successful than he, it would benefit his business to no end.
Jake does not need "Friends" egging him on.
Jake does not need "Friends" egging him on.
So, Jake's new approach lasted, what, about seven hours?
Bill, I was making a point about what I think makes for a good post, and website. I now see you are making a point about growing a business. While the uncompromising Soup Nazi of Seinfeld fame has gotten multi-million dollar backing to launch as a franchise and "branded" his attitude, I respect you opinion on how Jake should market his brand.
It is VERY hard to sit back and watch people while they stab a fork into your chest... Very hard.
Jake,
No one is stabbing a fork in your chest. Step outside yourself for just one instant and think.
Go back to your last post and count the times you started a sentence with "I".
Find someone you trust, that is older and more successful than yourself, print this thread off and hand it to them. Ask for their advice and follow it. Even if it does not help your business, it will make you a better person.
Enough.
No one is stabbing a fork in your chest. Step outside yourself for just one instant and think.
Go back to your last post and count the times you started a sentence with "I".
Find someone you trust, that is older and more successful than yourself, print this thread off and hand it to them. Ask for their advice and follow it. Even if it does not help your business, it will make you a better person.
Enough.
Wow! Right up there with Thomas Edison and Carroll Shelby!
I knew Carroll in the 50's when I was a teenager growing up in Dallas; he and wife Jean (and kids Pat, Mike, and Sharon) lived about a mile from my family. He encouraged me (and more important, pursuaded my parents) in my teenage racing efforts with MG's.
Carroll got his inspiration for the Cobras from driving J2X Allards in SCCA races and the Gran Prix at Bueons Aires (as I recall the Buenos aires car belonged to General Curtis LeMay). If Lee Iococca (sp?) had not been at Ford and interested in boosting Ford's performance image Cobras would never have happened. And if Ken Miles had not sorted out the suspension/handling problems of the early modified AC chassis, Cobra early racing successes probably wouldn't have happened. Carroll was first and last, one hell of a driver and a promoter par excellance.
I think Jake certainly is a promoter, though on a somewhat lesser scale; maybe he'll invent a type 4 filament for light bulbs.
I knew Carroll in the 50's when I was a teenager growing up in Dallas; he and wife Jean (and kids Pat, Mike, and Sharon) lived about a mile from my family. He encouraged me (and more important, pursuaded my parents) in my teenage racing efforts with MG's.
Carroll got his inspiration for the Cobras from driving J2X Allards in SCCA races and the Gran Prix at Bueons Aires (as I recall the Buenos aires car belonged to General Curtis LeMay). If Lee Iococca (sp?) had not been at Ford and interested in boosting Ford's performance image Cobras would never have happened. And if Ken Miles had not sorted out the suspension/handling problems of the early modified AC chassis, Cobra early racing successes probably wouldn't have happened. Carroll was first and last, one hell of a driver and a promoter par excellance.
I think Jake certainly is a promoter, though on a somewhat lesser scale; maybe he'll invent a type 4 filament for light bulbs.
George, I can't resist even though I hate piling on but..You can bet his light bulb would cool better than the others! Oh yeah, love the fogs that you gifted to Jim!
the other day i was in a supermarket buying cold cuts. after watching
the employee wipe his nose a few times and continue to prepare my
order i walked away because i didn't like what i saw, price, fancy
trimmings, discounts couldn't get me back in that store.
a few years ago i had a car painted by a one man show who took too
long, made every excuse in the world why my car wasn't started yet
etc..i waited because i knew i would be happy with the end result.
my point being, if i'm buying, i weigh the whole shopping
experience from beginning to end. with any product you have
to look past the fluff to get to the facts. all that glitters is not golden.
jake doesn't glitter. if you're not happy with a post scroll past.
ps-speaking of "past" see new thread under "anything goes"
the employee wipe his nose a few times and continue to prepare my
order i walked away because i didn't like what i saw, price, fancy
trimmings, discounts couldn't get me back in that store.
a few years ago i had a car painted by a one man show who took too
long, made every excuse in the world why my car wasn't started yet
etc..i waited because i knew i would be happy with the end result.
my point being, if i'm buying, i weigh the whole shopping
experience from beginning to end. with any product you have
to look past the fluff to get to the facts. all that glitters is not golden.
jake doesn't glitter. if you're not happy with a post scroll past.
ps-speaking of "past" see new thread under "anything goes"
(forget the new post.) the following is my opinion only no fact just
things i've noticed. not meant to be mean spirited just observations;
1. george b. doesn't post like he used to. probably down 90%.
my version: i think he was unfairly beaten up too many times for
sharing his colorful life experiences in his "special way". yes when i listen to george i have to look up to see from his vantage point, but thats george. i miss those posts.
2. during an argument/discussion in the past jake had mentioned a
cetain condition from which he suffers which makes him a little
edgy at times and a little "one tracked"
consideration given???
3. there was a time when jim was taking medication for which he
blamed for making himself argumentative (if i remember correctly)
consideration given???
my point is i feel we lose more than we gain by ridicule. ridicule
has caused numerous persons to leave this site and we have lost
their unique perspectives. lighten up.
ps- besides, your ugly and your mom dresses you funny.
things i've noticed. not meant to be mean spirited just observations;
1. george b. doesn't post like he used to. probably down 90%.
my version: i think he was unfairly beaten up too many times for
sharing his colorful life experiences in his "special way". yes when i listen to george i have to look up to see from his vantage point, but thats george. i miss those posts.
2. during an argument/discussion in the past jake had mentioned a
cetain condition from which he suffers which makes him a little
edgy at times and a little "one tracked"
consideration given???
3. there was a time when jim was taking medication for which he
blamed for making himself argumentative (if i remember correctly)
consideration given???
my point is i feel we lose more than we gain by ridicule. ridicule
has caused numerous persons to leave this site and we have lost
their unique perspectives. lighten up.
ps- besides, your ugly and your mom dresses you funny.
Jake is a passionate advocate of Type IV's and his product. Just as most of us are passionate about our cars and certaily other things in our lives. He is also a paying sponsor of this site. He like the rest of us is entitled to his opinion. Agree or disagree as you like but please try to keep personalities and personal comments out of the posts. He has in the past been helpful and willing to share his knowledge and experience. Some here have pissed him off so much we are about to loose this very valuable resource.
My engine is a T-1 and I have no plans to change to a TIV so my comments are based upon observation and the hope to add a little courtesy to this site.
I hate it when I get on a soap box.
Troy
My engine is a T-1 and I have no plans to change to a TIV so my comments are based upon observation and the hope to add a little courtesy to this site.
I hate it when I get on a soap box.
Troy
Jake makes his livelyhood doing what he loves to do. For most of us air-cooled is just a hobby, he lives it. I for one appreciate his expertise. He's just tuned a bit differently than most.
Just one simple observation: If I were planning to do a Type IV conversion in my car, I'd call Jake in a heartbeat. That's it.
The proof is in the pudding... an old saying that relates to the experience one has with a given situation. This thread took a turn from 'how come' to 'here we go again'
There are a few of us on this forum, in this club, whatever, that have gone to big engines and have experienced disapointments. Some of those engine/builder/supplier 'issues' are still being resolved, and I hope to their owners complete satisfaction.
I for one had a less than satisfactory experience and I may number in the minority...I am certainly no longer in the rabid Raby minions and it is because of poor customer service/customer relations, whatever, not because a Type4 didn't deliver a ton of torque as promised.
The engine continues to amaze me. As has been suggested here on this thread,personal sensitivities, or lack thereof, run a little hotter than the engines we covet, whether Type1 or Type4.
Those that trumpet from the rooftops run the risk falling a lot harder than those of us lining the sidewalk and watching the parade stroll by.
Do I stand behind my engine choice? You betcha! Do I recommend a Type4 for a speedster? You betcha! Will a Type4 do all a Type1 will do and then some? I still think so... Would I head up the hollow in East Bumfuque GA looking for an engine builder? Not on your momma's dentures.
Stick a fork in my ass (and wallet!) 'cuz I am done!
There are a few of us on this forum, in this club, whatever, that have gone to big engines and have experienced disapointments. Some of those engine/builder/supplier 'issues' are still being resolved, and I hope to their owners complete satisfaction.
I for one had a less than satisfactory experience and I may number in the minority...I am certainly no longer in the rabid Raby minions and it is because of poor customer service/customer relations, whatever, not because a Type4 didn't deliver a ton of torque as promised.
The engine continues to amaze me. As has been suggested here on this thread,personal sensitivities, or lack thereof, run a little hotter than the engines we covet, whether Type1 or Type4.
Those that trumpet from the rooftops run the risk falling a lot harder than those of us lining the sidewalk and watching the parade stroll by.
Do I stand behind my engine choice? You betcha! Do I recommend a Type4 for a speedster? You betcha! Will a Type4 do all a Type1 will do and then some? I still think so... Would I head up the hollow in East Bumfuque GA looking for an engine builder? Not on your momma's dentures.
Stick a fork in my ass (and wallet!) 'cuz I am done!
As a slight aside, I've "stumbled" onto a decent 1800 cc Type IV engine which I'd LOVE to warm up a bit and convert to upright. Other than the posts here, does anyone know where I could go to learn more about the engine's internals, which bits and pieces can be upgraded or replaced to help it along, what web site covers the do-it-yourself upright conversion, that sort of thing.
I've ALMOST got the top AND bottom of Type I down, but know very little about the bottom end of the Type IV.
I remember once seeing a site that sold a booklet on converting the engine to upright configuration using mostly VW Type IV and Type I parts with a few fabricated/aftermarket mounts and brackets.
Any help at all?
TC
I've ALMOST got the top AND bottom of Type I down, but know very little about the bottom end of the Type IV.
I remember once seeing a site that sold a booklet on converting the engine to upright configuration using mostly VW Type IV and Type I parts with a few fabricated/aftermarket mounts and brackets.
Any help at all?
TC
I enjoy Jake's in-put and I think I can seperate his biases and his allegiance to the Type 4 and his business. I will be adding Jakes website to my "Favorites" just in case he decides to reduce his posts here.
Jake, thanks for being a strident booster for air cooled technology.
Jake, thanks for being a strident booster for air cooled technology.
T C,
Check out:
www.tunacan.net/t4/
Also the type 4 and aircooled technology forums on:
www.shoptalkforums.com
Check out:
www.tunacan.net/t4/
Also the type 4 and aircooled technology forums on:
www.shoptalkforums.com
T.C.
Great question. I have just purchased a type 4 1800 from a buddy for my next project, the best upgrade that you can do for this engine is to find a set of stock 2.0 GA heads. You will also need the 2.0 engine tin. What are you going to do with your motor?
Karl
Great question. I have just purchased a type 4 1800 from a buddy for my next project, the best upgrade that you can do for this engine is to find a set of stock 2.0 GA heads. You will also need the 2.0 engine tin. What are you going to do with your motor?
Karl
Karl,
What are you planning for the 1800?
What are you planning for the 1800?
Bruce,
The engine was one of those deals that was to good to pass up. 10,000 on a fresh rebuild and it was very inexpensive. I have been looking for a Coupe for some time with out much success so I may try to build one or find a 912 that needs a good engine. That's why I was curious what T.C. was doing with his engine. If you hear of a roller in need of a good engine let me know.
Karl
The engine was one of those deals that was to good to pass up. 10,000 on a fresh rebuild and it was very inexpensive. I have been looking for a Coupe for some time with out much success so I may try to build one or find a 912 that needs a good engine. That's why I was curious what T.C. was doing with his engine. If you hear of a roller in need of a good engine let me know.
Karl
Thanks for the info guys!
What's a "tuna can'?
Karl,
I recently bought a whole bunch of books covering the 356 and various prototype racing Porsche from different years. I have enough early VW and old 356 engine parts to dress up an 1835 into a pretty convincing "factory" racing engine that MAY have played at LeMans or Targa Florio or such. On alternate earth, that is. With my new printer I can counterfeit the various lables, tags, etc. to complete the illusion.
I'd really like to try the same thing with a Type IV, build it up and dress it out like a variant/prototype partly because it's got a little more Porsche heritage than the later Type I engines, partly because I want something for the car that will be so different, yet so familiar that it'll make folks hold their tongues just a second or two longer, before them dump on it.
If I can increase the "doubt", then the dump will be a little harder. Experts HATE to be wrong.
What's a "tuna can'?
Karl,
I recently bought a whole bunch of books covering the 356 and various prototype racing Porsche from different years. I have enough early VW and old 356 engine parts to dress up an 1835 into a pretty convincing "factory" racing engine that MAY have played at LeMans or Targa Florio or such. On alternate earth, that is. With my new printer I can counterfeit the various lables, tags, etc. to complete the illusion.
I'd really like to try the same thing with a Type IV, build it up and dress it out like a variant/prototype partly because it's got a little more Porsche heritage than the later Type I engines, partly because I want something for the car that will be so different, yet so familiar that it'll make folks hold their tongues just a second or two longer, before them dump on it.
If I can increase the "doubt", then the dump will be a little harder. Experts HATE to be wrong.
"tuna-can"= T-4 mini sump. Mine is billet aluminium and looks to be about the size of a can of tuna. Hell, maybe that's what they used in the beginning--ask Tuna, maybe he knows.
Type-4s tend to lose oil pressure on high speed curves due to some design issues. The problem is mutifaceted and can be fixed/addressed at rebuild (one of my 1st RAT lessons) but the "tuna-can" is an easy external fix. It holds enough oil for about 1 good sweeper at full song (ie. interstate ramps.)
Type-4s tend to lose oil pressure on high speed curves due to some design issues. The problem is mutifaceted and can be fixed/addressed at rebuild (one of my 1st RAT lessons) but the "tuna-can" is an easy external fix. It holds enough oil for about 1 good sweeper at full song (ie. interstate ramps.)
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Thanks Fred,
I HAVE a tuna can. I never thought about it, but the sump does looks a lot like one.
SWEET CAR! I've always loved the refinements that Porsche did with the 914 body when they produced the prototype 916's. Way too bad that the project was shelved, it would have become a better car than the 911's had they continued, the platform is simply better all around.
I HAVE a tuna can. I never thought about it, but the sump does looks a lot like one.
SWEET CAR! I've always loved the refinements that Porsche did with the 914 body when they produced the prototype 916's. Way too bad that the project was shelved, it would have become a better car than the 911's had they continued, the platform is simply better all around.
T.C.
One of the common upgrades for a 1.7 type 4 is 96 pistons, 86 web cam along with stock 2.0 heads. That set up and some Weber IDF 40s should get you about 100hp. Not bad for a street motor. I
One of the common upgrades for a 1.7 type 4 is 96 pistons, 86 web cam along with stock 2.0 heads. That set up and some Weber IDF 40s should get you about 100hp. Not bad for a street motor. I
thanks T C, it's a real kick-especially with the 2270. This was a nostalgic purchase. I had a rather anemic 1.8 liter 914 back in the 70's and always wanted a little more power. I autocross.
Thanks Karl,
I love the pic of your Speedster, and home, and hedge, with just a touch of that wonderful stone wall showing.
Quiet Class. Subtle, but sensational.
Very nice!
TC
I love the pic of your Speedster, and home, and hedge, with just a touch of that wonderful stone wall showing.
Quiet Class. Subtle, but sensational.
Very nice!
TC
Karl is a class act, no matter what his wife Nancy may say... (-:
I agree.....Karl is a class act.
Come to think of it, Karl, Chris and I owe you a six-pack of some sort of good micro-brew.....when we got home from Carlisle last year, we found the one you won in the raffle in one of our coolers.
What sounds better....."Newport Storm" or "Wachusett Blueberry Ale" (or something equally cool?)
gn
Come to think of it, Karl, Chris and I owe you a six-pack of some sort of good micro-brew.....when we got home from Carlisle last year, we found the one you won in the raffle in one of our coolers.
What sounds better....."Newport Storm" or "Wachusett Blueberry Ale" (or something equally cool?)
gn
Thanks guys,
T.C. I really like that picture there is just something about a convertible in the snow that just isn
T.C. I really like that picture there is just something about a convertible in the snow that just isn
Interesting air cleaners :>)
"Interesting air cleaners"
I used to do the same thing with coils. Nothing makes a better coil cover than a beer can, especially if you leave the empty plastic ring/holder still attached.
I used to make them for the British car guys using all manner of English ale cans. Of course, considering that they eventually had to CLOSE the plant making the early TR7's because the work force couldn't/wouldn't stay sober enough to build the cars . . . well, the coil covers kind of fit the situation.
I used to do the same thing with coils. Nothing makes a better coil cover than a beer can, especially if you leave the empty plastic ring/holder still attached.
I used to make them for the British car guys using all manner of English ale cans. Of course, considering that they eventually had to CLOSE the plant making the early TR7's because the work force couldn't/wouldn't stay sober enough to build the cars . . . well, the coil covers kind of fit the situation.