I have 71 4-lug pan. I'd like to go to the wide 5 original lug drum. does anyone know how to use the old drums? i have a set.
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I have 71 4-lug pan. I'd like to go to the wide 5 original lug drum. does anyone know how to use the old drums? i have a set.
I have never heard of anyone redrilling 4lug drums into wide five, maybe it can be done. Is that what you ment, reuse the old 4lug drums?
Or- you can simply get a set of drums from a 1966 and use them. I think you will have to swap out the shoes and interals, but is should work fine.
Or- you can simply get a set of drums from a 1966 and use them. I think you will have to swap out the shoes and interals, but is should work fine.
Tom,
I converted my '72 pan to wide 5. I used discs up front (an excellent kit from CSP) but stayed with drums at the back.
If I recall correctly the standard wide-5 drums are less deep than the 4-stud ones so you need to make a metal spacer to go between the axle nut and drum (and replace the internals with the early narrower shoes, loosing braking efficiency).
What I did was buy special wide-5 drums from CSP that are designed for later cars (the same depth as the later 4-bolt drums) that are a simple bolt-on replacement. You'll find pictures in the chassis section of my website www/hambly.org.uk/chesil
Simon
I converted my '72 pan to wide 5. I used discs up front (an excellent kit from CSP) but stayed with drums at the back.
If I recall correctly the standard wide-5 drums are less deep than the 4-stud ones so you need to make a metal spacer to go between the axle nut and drum (and replace the internals with the early narrower shoes, loosing braking efficiency).
What I did was buy special wide-5 drums from CSP that are designed for later cars (the same depth as the later 4-bolt drums) that are a simple bolt-on replacement. You'll find pictures in the chassis section of my website www/hambly.org.uk/chesil
Simon
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thanx, is there a way to put the 5-wide on the drop spindals? cause i bought the drum one's. I have 2 projects going on a custom 64 ford truck so money is spread a lil' thin.
tom, contact a couple of the mail order vw companies.
i know for a fact that they sell the spacers, sorry i can't remember
the specific ones. good luck.-bruce
i know for a fact that they sell the spacers, sorry i can't remember
the specific ones. good luck.-bruce
I have been told (by Vw parts sellers) that it isn't a good idea to redrill four lug hubs. There is a safety concern. I don't know if this is true or exaggerated but thought I would mention what I have been told more than once.
When doing my pan I decided to leave the Wide 5's behind. Mostly because I wanted disc all the around and those wide 5 sets are $$ (for the good ones anyway), but I also left em out because there is no place in my area that can still balance the wheels....
Ben
Ben
The spacers for the IRS tranny are 5/8"; I've seen them offered by some shops advertising in the VW mags. For the front, '66-'67 drums are a perfect fit; I've read even the shoes and the bearings are the same as for the later drums.
Custom drilled drums can be bought from a lot of VW source locations. I bought new wide five drums for my 68.
wide five backing plates available on "thesamba.com" cheap if
you want to convert
you want to convert
WHO CAN PROVIDE A 5-WIDE LUG DRUMS 4 A BALL JOINT FRONT END? I HAVE A 2"DROP SPINDAL ALREADY. TRYING 2 SAVE $$ THANX!!
Tom,
I have a '68 (four lug) ball joint front end in my car. I bought a set of '67 front five lug drums and just bolted them on as though they were stock. They fit fine.
For the rears, I just went to the local brake/machine shop and asked them to redrill the rear drums for the wide five pattern.
The car has gone from AZ to ME to MA with out a wimper.
Luck or whatever, it was easy and dirt cheap and still on the car and working well.
I'm changing to four lug for the disks and improved braking, but the old system still works GREAT!
Luck.
TC
I have a '68 (four lug) ball joint front end in my car. I bought a set of '67 front five lug drums and just bolted them on as though they were stock. They fit fine.
For the rears, I just went to the local brake/machine shop and asked them to redrill the rear drums for the wide five pattern.
The car has gone from AZ to ME to MA with out a wimper.
Luck or whatever, it was easy and dirt cheap and still on the car and working well.
I'm changing to four lug for the disks and improved braking, but the old system still works GREAT!
Luck.
TC
Tom,
Try this out on The Samba. Complete set-up to change over a '68 up 4 lug to wide 5. Hopefully this will help.
www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=71698
Jim
Try this out on The Samba. Complete set-up to change over a '68 up 4 lug to wide 5. Hopefully this will help.
www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=71698
Jim
Simon Your set up looks absolutlely great and very well done. I noticed that you are not using the standard VW pedal assembly. What are you using?
Its the standard VW pedal setup - just powder coated, and with the chrome/rubber pedal covers that everyone sells.