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here's a sophomoric question: what's the big hubub about the wide 5 wheels? is it only because it is period correct, or are there any other advantages? why are the hubs so damn expensive? i was considering upgrading to rear disks at some point, is this the way to go?
1957 Vintage Speedsters(Speedster)
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George,
I'm in the process of switching over to them (they're on there way). I have an IRS rear and in the past you had to do the disc set up on an IRS ($700) to convert because there weren't drums made with the correct bolt pattern that would fit. And there was an issue with increased track which alot of cars have minimal space between the sidewall and rear well. That is until now - see my "fishin" post in the general section for the link. I'll let you know how it goes.
George-

Period correct chrome wide 5 Mangles are as common as it gets. I ran a set on my car until this year.

Painted (no chrome) weren't widely available until earlier this year- painted is very "period correct".

As far as Aluminum or other alloys- several years ago, there was a company that made some really nice looking Magnesium wide 5s, but it was a one-run affair, and after they were gone, they were gone. Alex Bivens at West Coast Haus had some aluminum alloy wheels available in various widths and offsets, but they were actually made by Boyd Coddington. As you may or may not remember, Boyd passed away last year, and as a result I believe the "Bivens" wheels are NLA.

Both types of the alloy wheels which were available, but are not now, were really expensive (think $2K/ set). You had to REALLY want them. (I did)

Good luck.
Wow....those are bad news....things are getting harder for us vintage VW/Porsche owners...

The wide five is the best look for these cars as it matches the original design. When I ordered my VS Kirk didn't charge me extra for outfitting the car with wide fives as opposed to the more common late 4 bolt pattern.
I have CB discs and dropped spindles. Front axle height is off by two inches from stock, the beam has been narrowed by three inches on each side and the calipers have to be removed to be bled. The Hoopty pulls to the left on hard braking.
Rears are also discs, offering me an e-brake on both sides of the car -- I needed that at the time and I'm still glad I have them, but there's this little problem brewing. See the pictures.
Carey (thank the gods that guy was born) turned me on to a guy -- whose name and number I wrote down somewhere and now can't find, but I think it was Steve something -- who makes an entirely steel rear set of disc brakes. Mine are steel centers and what look like press-fitted aluminum skins, beginning to show a stress separation around the steel center. They're on the ends of some Erco stub axles.
I added the orange paint to keep the steel from oxidizing when they were new. Now I'm using the paint as a reference mark. Note, if you're considering purchasing the CB set, that there's also a small crack forming on the driver's side skin. It hasn't grown any since I first noticed it, and there are five bolts holding firmly from the back side of the rotor into that same skin.
I don't think they're going to fall off, but I think I'll go ahead and replace them sooner or later anyway.
(Hope that wasn't a too-me-specific answer to the original Wide-5 question, but I don't know who else might be having this problem with their CB parts.)

The common advice here is to go with front discs and rear drums, anyway. Four-wheel disc is probably overkill for a normal engine, but there are drumskins out there for the Wide-5 application on the rears.

Carey, if you're reading this, please refresh my memory on that guy's info? I'm still at a loss as to why this is happening:

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Biker2 on the Spyderclub has wiped out like 4 sets of the CB wide 5 disk brake rears. I think CB has replaced them at NC to biker2.

IMO it ain't a good design......I am running wide 5 disk rears from SoCal that are all iron, they weigh a ton but so far I have not broken them and I am dumping 200+hp through them...and yes they may fall off....I think Biker 2 spun one of them right out....yes he races his car in autocross and the like...pushes it really hard....
Posted: 06 Jun 2006 03:21 pm Post subject: Yet another separating rear hub....

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Goll Darn It All!!!!!!!!

It happened yet again.

Another rear hub ductile iron insert has separated from my CB Performance Wide Five rear hubs. This is teh third set to go in less than 1 year. And i live in Michiga n so I didn't even drive teh car for six months this past winteer! I'm nearing the end of my rope here and I need some advice.

I like the way the wide 5's look so I dton't want to give that up. And I really like 4 wheel disk brakes too, and I don't want to give that up either.

So it looks like I have a few options:

1. Try another set of CB hubs and hope for the best.
2. Switch to another brand of rear hubs, (what are YOU using?)
3. Drive it the way it is and let the wheels fall off.
4. Take the car behind the shop and torch it.
5. Drink heavily and do nothing.

I am curious what everyone else/anyone else is using? Everyone can't be using the CB ones, are they?

-Biker

Posted: 07 Jun 2006 01:00 pm Post subject:

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UPDATE:

A new set of hubs is on the way. These new hubs have design changes to the castings to reinforce the joint between the cast iron and cast aluminum. I'll install them Friday and let's see how long they last.

My wife is beginning to think that I can break ANYTHING. I'm thinking of starting a Product Abuse Testing company. Please send all of your coolest Spyder parts for me to test
Posted: 31 Jul 2006 09:51 am Post subject: Please HELP: CB hubs breaking again...

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I'm about ready to throw in the towel.

I just had another set of CB Performance wnide 5 rear hubs separate. This is the 4th one I've broken.

I need some advice on what to start checking. I'll probably check everything, but if anyone has any clue as to what might be causing this I could use some advice.

Here's what happens: The drivers side hub separates between the iron splined insert and the aluminum hub, resulting in about 1/2" play in the wheel. If you grab the tire at 6 and 9 you can move the wheel and at the tire there is about 1/2" play.

ANY advice on what to start looking for would be appreciated.

Posted: 31 Jul 2006 01:08 pm Post subject:

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Jake Raby wrote:
How hard are you cornering this car???


VERY hard. I regularly take it to the road race track (not drag strip) and when I drive on the street you could say I have it sideways as often as possible. But ONLY when it is safe and clear, I live out in the country in a sparsely populated area.

Rear of your car that is...

Sooooooo, I broke my 6th set of rear hubs and I want to replace them over the winter with something a little more robust. I'm curious what Ya'll are using.

I have a Beck with a 2165 Type 1, Rancho trans and have rear disks with wide 5 rims and want to keep that look.

I'm interested in finding out what brands of hubs/brakes are being used with what powerplant (and state of tune/build), and what driving "style" you drive.

It would also be nice to know if the car is used for any type of track service. Although I have broken them on the road under "normal" driving conditions more than on the track, but it would be nice to know anyway.

Thanks!

Biker2



Posted: 05 Dec 2006 01:14 pm Post subject:

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I have CSP wide five discs - I believe the hubs are aluminum. The car came with 4 bolt discs - whatever Vintage uses stock. The engine is a 300 HP CB turbo - all the power is up high. I believe that the nosecone was broken by the original owner. Rear end ratio is 3.44. Motor mounts are rubber and there is a rubber mounted trans strap. No problems at all with the rear hubs. I have autocrossed the car and accelerate hard on a regular basis but I do not abuse the clutch (KEP stage III).
Thanks for the research, guys. Jim, that's really helpful.
Carey, thanks for the contact. I think I'll be making good use of it.
As far as I can tell, the half-inch of play Biker2 is complaining about doesn't exist on my car, but the backing plates could be the source of his headaches. Mine are tight.
I'm also a lot lower in the torque range than he is, with most of his power being up high and mine being down low.
I also have the 6K rev limiter in -- and have since the car was redone -- and don't abuse the clutch. I have so many bolts holding the engine and tranny in that it doesn't budge anywhere.

I'll call CB first, and see what they have to say about replacements. Last time, I wasn't very satisfied with the answer, but I'll hope I was just talking to the wrong person.

Thanks again.
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