Will also consider Roadster or Coupe with Subaru power
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Me too!
Watercooled used speedsters don't come on the market often. There has been one watercooled IM on the market since I started looking in Sept 2013 and I bought it. Ideally I would have liked a Suby Speedster but I "settled" for a VW/Audi Type D. I have seen NO watercooled Beck, JPS or Vintage Speedsters. There are a few used Suby Spyders for sale likely since they've been around longer. Anyone who builds a Suby powered car is going to be spending anywhere between $60-$90k depending on brand and options. These are cherished possessions. Honestly the only reason I was able to pick up my car when I did...the previous owner died. Good luck.
wrong!!!!!!
JPS subies can be had for much less than quoted.
That was probably an overestimate. I'm curious. Beck will cost at least $45k. IM is likely $75+. How much for a well equipped JPS Suby or a Vintage Suby. I know a Vintage Spyder Suby well equipped is at least $50k.
So JPS is going to be at least $45k OTD by the time you get the options you want. Why would it be against forum rules to discuss new vehicle and used vehicle price? Kind of an important aspect of comparing vehicles and vendors.
Didn't really want to get into a discussion of turnkey prices. Safe to say, watercooled and Type 4 turnkeys are expensive and will rarely show up on used car lists.
what kind of options are you adding to a turnkey 35K car?
to get to 45K
Stand corrected. JPS looks to be about $5k less than Beck. Probably a nice one for $40k. This is probably the difference between pan and space frame. I have bought 2 turnkeys in the past. Turnkey buyers tend to add on quite a few options. I'd say add at least $5k to the turnkey price.
Dan
I see you have a new Suby JPS arriving soon. Congratulations. My only point is that you are spending quite a bit on your car, you will love it, and its very unlikely your car will be on the used car market any time soon.
you never know?
JPS coupe just resold in the past few months.
A Suby? I missed that one. That's not going to be on the market long. If you do ever sell you will have good resale value. Problem with IM's is that they depreciate very fast and then level off. I bought my used one for half of what I would pay for similar new one.
I spent a while watching the non-pan based Suby speedster market. Essentially no cars surfaced. I then considered a turnkey Beck. With the options I wanted I was looking at around $50k. Carey will send a pricing excel speed sheet to anyone interested in a build. Every time I came close to pulling the trigger I couldn't get myself to spend that much dough. I found a used air-cooled speedster which is being updated in Bremen and will hopefully be headed here soon. I am still looking for a water cooled speedster. If I want to make the switch I can send it back to Carey and have it done for around $15k.
I remember that car. It is beautiful. But it was air cooled so I gave it a pass. To me there are 3 reasons why water cooled Speedsters are going to be hard to find.
1. There really aren't that many out there compared to air cooled.
2. One of the reasons that a person sells their air cooled cars is that they don't have the time or ability to work on them (me). People are more likely to hold on to a water cooled car.
3. When they come on the market they are gone in a flash.
I'm sure that many of you remember my car. MB tan grey Type D with hard top advertised on IM site. Car was reasonably priced. Lady selling car told me she had many people come and drive the car but no buyers. I drove to Philly and tested the car. I new immediately that it had a broken motor mount. I bought it any way after telling her and talking her down a little. I knew that I would likely have to wait another year or two to find another used water cooled IM. And I also knew that I couldn't afford a new one.
I've only had one factory built Subaru powered Speedster hit the used market and it sold for close to what it cost new.
re: comparison of Subaru builders. I cannot speak for other builders but here are some key points to one of my Subaru powered cars:
-US based motors (no JDM motors, which are illegal for road use in the US)
-Stock Subaru ECU (you just can't touch Subaru engineering with a standalone computer)
-Your choice of 1) a low mile donor, 2) a BRAND NEW OEM Subaru short block and professional head work, rebuilt with OEM Subaru gaskets and multi-layer metal head gaskets or 3) a Jake Raby built custom motor.
-Our own "Subaru Spec" transaxle built by Rancho (at a cost close to $4,000) and re-geared to match the donor motor's original specs (it is an EPA violation to vary from original gearing by a certain %)
These are just a FEW key points, and there are a lot of additional little "tricks" we've learned over many years of doing Subaru builds...
Our Subaru powered cars may be a bit more expensive, but we put a LOT more into them...
Carey
One day after all my kids are educated (5 years) I'm coming for that Suby Outlaw Speedster. 
I'll have my Suby Beck again at Carlisle this year. All are welcome to fully inspect and maybe even drive it .... if it helps you in making a decision. I am of course biased and happy with my decision.
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Phil, an interesting comment about the failed motor mount. That's also a problem with Westfalia (Vanagon) owners who swap their flat four for an upright four cylinder engine.
Probably something inherently wrong placing a transversely mounted engine in a horizontal position. That's why I really think the Suby is the better choice. But hey if it destroys another motor mount I know how it feels and I know just how to fix it. Its a cheap stock VW Jetta part.
I will blow up my CB 2054 & replace it with another. Water cooled just not worth it for me.
TRahn:
Very, very nice looking car & engine!
I am checking out JPS Suby, the car comes with ac and up graded heat and defrost. Can any one comment on AC heat effectiveness etc.
Thanks
aewgolf
my subie speedster without AC ran just under $36K
Jerry. That's an excellent price. JPS lists A/C as standard on the Suby. Did he give you a credit to delete A/C? I really don't use A/C in the summer but it does come in handy for defrost in the winter. How is the heat? Would think it is great being based on liquid heating. My heat blows me out. I never have it higher than low even when its sub zero.
Can you still title it as a VW even with a Suby?
My subie speedster will be similar in price but with ac.
Jerry's is the wide body which does not have standard ac.
I got a $1000 credit since I have no need for the AC, never used it in my other Porsches--turned on the heat and it worked well-it was a warm day so I only had it on to test it--and the top was down--my car is titled as a VW-sema legislation has not been passed yet in NJ if and when it passes the title will be issued as the model the car most looks like and will say replica--I also have QQ plates on it-no inspection needed--
Guess all this title stuff varies from state to state. In VA being able to title a Speedster as a 70's VW would really be a plus. The personal property tax in VA is a killer. Personal property tax on a 70's VW would be about $2/year. Paid 4% sales tax on $40K when I bought my car and VA charges 2% personal property tax/year based on the cars blue book value. Don't know how they are going to depretiate a replica. I could be looking at $800/year personal property tax on a car that is used sparingly. Ouch!
I was surprised when I titled both the VS and the JPS that I did not have to pay ANY tax!!
Originally Posted by Jerry Freeman/N.J.:
I was surprised when I titled both the VS and the JPS that I did not have to pay ANY tax!!
Great for you Jerry, but that makes absolutely makes no sense.
Phill: If you lived in Massachusetts you'd be looking at about $2,800 in sales tax alone.
Quitcherbitchin...........
Jerry: From the New Jersey DMV website:
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Sales Tax - 7% sales tax based on the purchase price of the vehicle is required. If a trade-in is indicated on the dealer’s invoice, subtract the trade in price from the price of the new vehicle and calculate the 7% sales tax based on the adjusted price. If you paid the sales tax to the state where the vehicle was purchased, include the receipt made out to the purchaser. If you paid less than 7%, you must pay the difference to New Jersey. "
Jerry, go stand in the corner because you didn't pay your sales tax! You'll be getting a spoon full of cod liver oil later as well! Consider yourself punished! LOL!
sense or no cents--im just satisfied! as far as motor vehicle goes-didn't pay in Ca. or NJ-maybe somebodys not doing their job right-wouldn't be the first time
Carey: Just wondering what R&P you put in the Suby transaxles. Is there something deeper than a 3.44?
Both 3.88 and 3.44 are within the allowed range for 04-07 5MT donors (our most popular donor), so you can choose. 3.88 seems to be the most popular. I am not aware of a lower final drive ratio for the T1 than 3.44, but it may exist?
Originally Posted by Jerry Freeman/N.J.:
I was surprised when I titled both the VS and the JPS that I did not have to pay ANY tax!!
You must have one hell of a smile Jerry.
why would anyone boast that info herein....geesh!
To each his own. I can certainly understand why someone would want a water cooled replica 356, but I never even considered it.
I wanted a coupe and never considered a original one for all the reasons that have been discussed in here. I am too old to worry about appreciation and want, as much as possible, trouble free recreational driving
I have wanted a 356 for about 50 years and since the originals had air cooled VW engines, that was the experience I wanted to replicate so for me it was a no brainer.
Thanks to John and the people in here, I now have a well sorted 2013 JPS Coupe with nearly 4000 miles on it and could not be more pleased with the experience.
Good for you Bart!
Drive the wheels off of it.
Bart, I agree on being too old to worry about appreciation and want, as much as possible, trouble free recreational driving. That is why I am looking at a subie. less maintenance etc. pictures?