Anyone seen this car? Whats a car like that worth, ignoring the fact that the listing seems very dubious with the "Do Not Email Me"... at least its not a $9500 car.
1964 Porsche : 356 356 C
Item number: 260124468217
James
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Anyone seen this car? Whats a car like that worth, ignoring the fact that the listing seems very dubious with the "Do Not Email Me"... at least its not a $9500 car.
1964 Porsche : 356 356 C
Item number: 260124468217
James
1964 Porsche : 356 356 C
Item number: 260124468217
James
What's it worth? Why.... $20K. Everybody says so.
Back in reality-- an Emory Outlaw will go for 3x that, maybe more.
Back in reality-- an Emory Outlaw will go for 3x that, maybe more.
What a shame that such a beautifully detailed and highly personal car is being sold. I'd love to see what the final bid is, spent all the money in all of the right places.
I checked his previous Ebay transactions, seems that his understanding and beautiful wife, whose account he's using, previously bought a big screen TV and a set of golf clubs . . . this just may be a total bulls#it auction.
I checked his previous Ebay transactions, seems that his understanding and beautiful wife, whose account he's using, previously bought a big screen TV and a set of golf clubs . . . this just may be a total bulls#it auction.
Geesh 90% of ebay is....BS.
Sorry, I just had a winning bidder decide that the Gazelle I had on ebay wasn't right for him because, it's not weather tight :(
Sorry, I just had a winning bidder decide that the Gazelle I had on ebay wasn't right for him because, it's not weather tight :(
I think it looks like a great car. Probably worth almost $30K. I'm like Alan, it's heck to sell a car on ebay. You never know if you are dealing with a ghost, a goat or what. It would make a great daily driver if you put airfilters on it. I wonder if he does or does not?
Do these Outlaw cars hold their value, or better yet appreciate? This looks like something Cory would be interested in seeing...at least based on what I have seen of the work he has done to build his car.
On the "is it a real auction or not", well the pictures show the license plate number, wouldn't be hard to do the research to see if its really his car or not. By chance, is there anyone near Vancouver Washington here that would be willing to look at it if I sold my other kidney and came up with the cash?
James
On the "is it a real auction or not", well the pictures show the license plate number, wouldn't be hard to do the research to see if its really his car or not. By chance, is there anyone near Vancouver Washington here that would be willing to look at it if I sold my other kidney and came up with the cash?
James
I think he will want in the neighborhood of 50K for the car. It may not be worth it to some but 30K is much lower than it would go for.
I'm not sure where $30K came from-- but I'd buy it in a heartbeat for that, hold it for a year and sell for a big profit. My guess was $20K x 3, or $60K.
"Parts Obsolete" outlaws command a real premium. Gary Emory works his magic on steel 356s, and that's really important in some circles (like the kind that have big money to throw around). The car in question doesn't have the full Emory treatment, but from the description, it sounds as if "Parts Obsolete" was involved in some part of the build. It adds cache to a car that's pretty cool already.
This car's got all the right stuff with a nice Type IV in the back. Anybody who's priced a serious engine for an air-cooled flat four of VW or Porsche provenance can tell you that the zeros start adding up pretty quickly after 125 hp or so, and it's really easy to get into 5 figures with a pretty standard build. Hard to believe? Price one of Jake's engines sometime.
I doubt the guy will sell the car on ebay, since most of us are hoping for a deal over there-- but it'll probably be the cheapest way imaginable to get his car in front of enough eyeballs to sell it in a more traditional way. We'll see.
"Parts Obsolete" outlaws command a real premium. Gary Emory works his magic on steel 356s, and that's really important in some circles (like the kind that have big money to throw around). The car in question doesn't have the full Emory treatment, but from the description, it sounds as if "Parts Obsolete" was involved in some part of the build. It adds cache to a car that's pretty cool already.
This car's got all the right stuff with a nice Type IV in the back. Anybody who's priced a serious engine for an air-cooled flat four of VW or Porsche provenance can tell you that the zeros start adding up pretty quickly after 125 hp or so, and it's really easy to get into 5 figures with a pretty standard build. Hard to believe? Price one of Jake's engines sometime.
I doubt the guy will sell the car on ebay, since most of us are hoping for a deal over there-- but it'll probably be the cheapest way imaginable to get his car in front of enough eyeballs to sell it in a more traditional way. We'll see.
I'll second that, Stan. I'd want more than fifty grand for the Hoopty if it was for sale, and it's plastic.
You're right on, James. Those cars (Emory projekts) are right up my alley.
You're right on, James. Those cars (Emory projekts) are right up my alley.
This fellow is a neighbor of mine and I've driven the car. Not only is it nearly perfect visually, but the modifications he's done are to. The performance is in Butch territory. Awsome car! $30k would be a steal! It's every bit as nice and nicer in many respects than any of Emory's cars which sell for three times that.
Ebay is good for advertising your car, but more times than not the buyer will renig....I have purchased many cars OFF ebay, meaning I emailed the seller and told him if his buyer cops out on the deal, call me and perhaps we can deal.....this has worked many times....
got my speedster, both my ghia's and my 912 that way, not to mention a few of the kids cars....that yellow outlaw will bring big dollars, nice car...........
got my speedster, both my ghia's and my 912 that way, not to mention a few of the kids cars....that yellow outlaw will bring big dollars, nice car...........
Cars are a very subjective 'investment' No pie chart or graph will help you decide if a car will appreciate.
What I've seen is glitzy muscle cars and muscle car clones have come into their own and they are easily identifiable to someone with money who wants a token to boast about.
Icons of automotive history command ever increasing prices because there are fewer and fewer of 'em. Again the purveyors of automotive legends spend big and sell big; whether they recoup their expenditures is almost inconsequential because not only do their bank accounts have higher balances, I think some of those guys are answering to a higher calling...
When a car has a narrower appeal or is specialized to the degree of say the half-Emory outlaw mentioned in this thread, the market also thins out. An actual Emory outlaw build that has race provenance will draw big bucks like Stan was guesstimating and more.
But in this instance the guy says he did most of his work with Gary's assistance. He does have the grille badge so he didn't come by that on the cheap. Will he make a profit? Is it truly an Emory Outlaw? What's it worth? Rhetoric, all rhetoric...
This car is another classic example of a fun car to drive, so why beat yourself up about whether you get all your money back out of it?
This is a unique car with some special provenance to a few affecianados. In those circles car value is different. My guess is those guys would be saying something like, "Geez, it's beautiful but think what it'd be worth if it were an 'A' coupe?"
Lots of 'C' cars for sale. You take a stock 'C' coupe, clean up the body, sanitize the interior, race-prep it and then add a $15-25K high performance Type4 engine, you don't expect to get all your money back.
Your reward doesn't fit on a deposit slip; the bank doesn't have an entry line for the "oooh-Ahhh!"
$50K-60K max and worth every penny. The $30K outlaws are a thing of the past and the penny-pinchers are going to have to wake up.
What I've seen is glitzy muscle cars and muscle car clones have come into their own and they are easily identifiable to someone with money who wants a token to boast about.
Icons of automotive history command ever increasing prices because there are fewer and fewer of 'em. Again the purveyors of automotive legends spend big and sell big; whether they recoup their expenditures is almost inconsequential because not only do their bank accounts have higher balances, I think some of those guys are answering to a higher calling...
When a car has a narrower appeal or is specialized to the degree of say the half-Emory outlaw mentioned in this thread, the market also thins out. An actual Emory outlaw build that has race provenance will draw big bucks like Stan was guesstimating and more.
But in this instance the guy says he did most of his work with Gary's assistance. He does have the grille badge so he didn't come by that on the cheap. Will he make a profit? Is it truly an Emory Outlaw? What's it worth? Rhetoric, all rhetoric...
This car is another classic example of a fun car to drive, so why beat yourself up about whether you get all your money back out of it?
This is a unique car with some special provenance to a few affecianados. In those circles car value is different. My guess is those guys would be saying something like, "Geez, it's beautiful but think what it'd be worth if it were an 'A' coupe?"
Lots of 'C' cars for sale. You take a stock 'C' coupe, clean up the body, sanitize the interior, race-prep it and then add a $15-25K high performance Type4 engine, you don't expect to get all your money back.
Your reward doesn't fit on a deposit slip; the bank doesn't have an entry line for the "oooh-Ahhh!"
$50K-60K max and worth every penny. The $30K outlaws are a thing of the past and the penny-pinchers are going to have to wake up.
Another perfect post, Paul.
"Another perfect post, Paul."
Are you two dating now?
Are you two dating now?
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
I just talked to the guy for about 20 minutes about the car. He is using Ebay as an advertising venue, but is surprised that he hasn't had very many bids on the car. I explained to him about his ad looking a little suspicious and why, and he was taken back that his ad might look like a scam at all. He is going to call me back if he doesn't get his reserve on ebay, and his price is not that bad for what it is (of course I haven't seen it in person). I wish now that I hadn't spent most of my car money on the IM, but it will be an awesome car for somebody. He has had cash offers in the 40K dollar range and says that where he thinks it is value wise. I can't stop looking at the damn thing...
James
James
James-
If you buy it, you won't have to stop looking at it. $40K seems like a very good price for this car. Fly out, and have a looksie-- the Pacific NW is beautiful this time of year.
PS- Paul's post WAS perfect... and no- we're "just friends".
If you buy it, you won't have to stop looking at it. $40K seems like a very good price for this car. Fly out, and have a looksie-- the Pacific NW is beautiful this time of year.
PS- Paul's post WAS perfect... and no- we're "just friends".
Well Stan, I would.. I really would, but I would have to borrow to buy it as my car fund has not recovered yet from the IM. I am not sure that there is even a way to borrow on a car like that... is there?
James
James
When a unique vehicle comes along and it 'speaks to you' that's when you know you are a car guy. It is when you have all the excuses and rationalizing at the ready that you must be honest with yourself and say to yourself either, "it ain't THAT cool" or "I'll find the money now and pay myself back later..."
There are specialty car financing companies but you're better off establishing or using your equity line even in times of rates bumping up a bit.
$40K is a bargain in my book.
Kisses everyone.
There are specialty car financing companies but you're better off establishing or using your equity line even in times of rates bumping up a bit.
$40K is a bargain in my book.
Kisses everyone.
Paul, I totally agree. I consider myself an amateur car guy, but this car does speak to me... that much i can say for sure. Problem is that I am a professional family guy, so the little guys that are whispering in my ears from each shoulder are both making great points... and the one that represents my family and its financial well being is making the most sense right now...lol.
It seems it doesnt matter anyway. Somebody must have had a chat with the guy after me and let him know his car is worth 60K. He has added a buy it now to the car for the 60K, and I guess I dont blame him one bit. Kind of glad he did it as I was ready to start figuring out a way to get that thing in my garage.
James
It seems it doesnt matter anyway. Somebody must have had a chat with the guy after me and let him know his car is worth 60K. He has added a buy it now to the car for the 60K, and I guess I dont blame him one bit. Kind of glad he did it as I was ready to start figuring out a way to get that thing in my garage.
James
Oh yeah, family stuff. Never mind. I gotta start learning by my mistakes sometime. I tell my young friends with kids that family comes first, don't miss the ballet recitals (even if it is your sons, LOL).
Sometimes us old farts forget. But it does make me wonder why some of the other old farts on this site fail to see appreciation and upward values as a good thing!
I saw the BIN this morning on the coupe. He's no doubt trolling in the eBay big pond, if he hooks a buyer at auction cool...he's more likely to let out a lot of line and reel a guy in afterwards.
Sometimes us old farts forget. But it does make me wonder why some of the other old farts on this site fail to see appreciation and upward values as a good thing!
I saw the BIN this morning on the coupe. He's no doubt trolling in the eBay big pond, if he hooks a buyer at auction cool...he's more likely to let out a lot of line and reel a guy in afterwards.
Unless he 'hooks a buyer', as Paul says, he'll most likely be at Emory's CO at the end of the month. There, too, there are a lot of tire kickers, but there's also a lot of money floating around. With Gary's farm as a backdrop, the enthusiasm of the 356 Outlaw bunch, car guys everywhere, and, of course, Emory's cars, it'll sell there for sure. I'd begin to question the $60 large a little before pulling out the check book though. It's very nice, but there are a lot of very nice cars for that.